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[Business Insider] Look Who Made the Top 20 Ball Hog List in Houston. You'll Never Guess Who.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JasonXXX, Nov 11, 2013.

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  1. JasonXXX

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    Brook Lopez (Brooklyn Nets): 47.7% pass rate
    Klay Thompson (Golden State Warriors): 49.4% pass rate
    Eric Gordon (New Orleans Pelicans): 50.8% pass rate
    Tony Wroten (Philadelphia 76ers): 52.6% pass rate
    C.J. Miles (Cleveland Cavaliers ): 54.6% pass rate
    Andrew Nicholson (Orlando Magic): 55.0% pass rate
    Maurice Harkless (Orlando Magic): 55.2% pass rate
    Kevin Durant (Oklahoma City Thunder): 55.4% pass rate
    Rudy Gay (Toronto Raptors): 55.8% pass rate
    Jamal Crawford (L.A. Clippers): 56.0% pass rate

    The rest of the top 20 is as follows: Xavier Henry, Jodie Meeks, Dion Waiters, David Lee, Anthony Davis, Nick Young, Rodney Stuckey, James Harden, Corey Brewer.
     
    #1 JasonXXX, Nov 11, 2013
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    How is Westbrook not on this list?
     
    #2 DorianTurk, Nov 11, 2013
  3. JasonXXX

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    #3 JasonXXX, Nov 11, 2013
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    we'll never win games against elite teams if McHale lets Harden iso all the time
     
    #4 mig0s, Nov 11, 2013
  5. Carl Herrera

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    So Harden is on the same list as that selfish headcases Kevin Durant. Those guys will never win anything.
     
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    so where is that super ball hog melo?
     
    #6 Morlock O, Nov 11, 2013
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    The significant difference when it comes to Durant vs Harden on a list like that is that Durant is a receiver. Westbrook creates for the team and when Durant touches it he is supposed to score. Harden is basically the starting PG and yet he doesn't pass the ball very much according to this. However, the numbers aren't that significant without more context
     
    #7 MOHRocketeer, Nov 11, 2013
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    Not enough data, most of theseplayers are finishers/spot upshooters. Theyre expected to shoot the ball. Can you define "Pass Rate"?
     
    #8 Turboner, Nov 11, 2013
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    the results are in

    Gay > Durant
     
    #9 Panda23, Nov 11, 2013
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    None of them won any titles. Notice how lbj ain't on that list. Or Duncan, or nowitzki, wade, bosh, heck, I didn't even see Kobe on that list.
     
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  11. JasonXXX

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    "Now, thanks to the new camera tracking technology that the NBA installed in every arena, we have that data."

    Pass rate = (Passes per game) / (Touches per game)

    How many ball hogs are PGs or play the PG role on that top 20 list? Ask yourself that.
     
    #11 JasonXXX, Nov 11, 2013
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    Really, you don't say?
     
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    Lin fan tears are going to flood Clutchfans.
     
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    when I see it I know it's a misinterpreted stat. how come a catch and shooter is a ball hog:rolleyes:
    stat is becoming very popular in these days' sports reports but how well and how deep those journalist know stat is well questionable. this guy absolutely dont know WTH he is bragging.
     
    #14 cn0gd, Nov 11, 2013
  15. JasonXXX

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    You are correct. The stats are raw. The catch and shoot types should be taken out of the list. James Harden would go much higher up on the list if they weren't based on raw stats.
     
    #15 JasonXXX, Nov 11, 2013
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    nick young shouldnt be on that list. its unfair to him. the only time he even GETS the ball is when hes supposed to shoot. the lakers dont let him operate as a ball handler in any capacity.

    the fact that hes even passing at all means that he wasnt open enough
     
    #16 waisoserious, Nov 11, 2013
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    Get back to me after 50 games or so.

    You know what's worse than people who completely ignore advanced metrics? People who use advanced metrics to prove a point, without understanding how to interpret them.
     
    #17 dharocks, Nov 11, 2013
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    The unwarranted, unnecessary, and flat out idiotic Harden hate continues to spiral more and more out of control...
     
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    efficiency >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass rate
     
    #19 vlaurelio, Nov 11, 2013
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    This is passing rate, most of them are SG play off ball, volume shooters.

    Only James is primary ball handler.
     
    #20 landryfans, Nov 11, 2013
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