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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Jul 16, 2010.

  1. rhadamanthus

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    Un-****ing-believable.

    Giant hypocritical douchebag republicans joined by giant p***y democrats.

    This is so full of wrong on both sides it makes me sick.
     
  2. Invisible Fan

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    lololol

    Those r****ded Dems will never hear Republicans b**** and moan about the deficit "ballooning past White House projections" because of this p***y ass move.

    It's like a perfect marriage between morons and the rich.
     
  3. tallanvor

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    What don't you like about it? The fear is that raising taxes on the rich would force layoffs which would be terrible right now. If you want to decrease the deficit, don't tax the rich, just get rid of, or make more economically sound, the entitlement programs we currently have.
     
  4. insane man

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    little 3 year olds often fear the bogeyman. doesn't mean its based on any actual facts.

    i don't want to decrease the deficit. and anyone who really cares that much about the deficit is necessarily myopic. the debt may become a problem, but only much more so by reducing taxes, especially in incredibly inefficient ways like the one you propose.

    personally, i favor the helicopter money bag drop that krugman might have proposed. it'll do a lot more good than cutting taxes on riches.
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    To be clear, the "entitlement programs" are funded by payroll taxes, not income, capital gains, dividend, or estate taxes.

    It pisses me off when rich people or their proxies rail on about "entitlement programs" impacting their tax rates when the taxes that pay for these entitlements are some of the most regressive taxes that exist. When you pay your fair share of payroll taxes, you can complain about the programs they fund. Until then, STFU about them.
     
  6. tallanvor

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    It is one big account. You can't claim entitlement programs are funded by a specific type tax. That would be like me saying I pay my groceries with the money I make on Mondays.
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    The fact that you believe what you just typed is telling. The payroll taxes were specifically enacted to fund specific programs. The Social Security tax funds Social Security. The Medicare tax funds Medicare. If we get rid of those programs, the government would do away with THOSE taxes, not the income, cap. gains, or estate taxes.

    A more accurate analogy would be if I told my wife that I was going to work a second job so that we could afford to go out to eat more often, then set up a separate bank account (analogous to the Social Security and Medicare trust funds) and set up the second job to direct deposit to the new account, out of which we pay for all dining out expenditures.
     
  8. mc mark

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    GOP tries to take out tea party-backed candidate

    Republicans can't even beat republicans. How are they going to beat Democrats?
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    Ape shall not kill ape.
     
  10. rhadamanthus

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    The problem is that there are enough cravenly Dem senators who will follow the GOP on this route.

    The president better call their bluff and lay down the hammer. Frame it as a class issue for crying out loud.
     
  12. Major

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    This just seems like an issue gift-wrapped for Dems. The House and Senate should just put the 98% tax cut to a vote this week. Force the GOP to vote on it. If they vote for it - great, issue solved, Dems win. If they vote against it, it's the greatest ad on the planet for the next 6 weeks in all the House and Senate races - "GOP votes against middle class tax cut" or "GOP sacrifices your tax cuts to fight for the wealthy". The campaign just writes itself.
     
  13. Invisible Fan

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    ^I'm sure Fox News viewers would view that campaign as a "Progressive Handout" or some other Socialist BS...
     
  14. mc mark

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    I'm thinking Obama knows this....

    WH: From Obama On Down, We'll Be Hitting Boehner On Tax Cuts
     
  15. Major

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    I have faith that Obama will push it. I have no doubt Pelosi would be on board too. My question is the Senate. The Senate GOP has threatened to filibuster. A few Dems (Lieberman, Nelson, and a few others I think) have kind of waffled and said we should extend it for everyone. I'm worried that the Senate is going to cave and just propose an extension of everything.

    I'm also not convinced this is going to come up for an actual vote, and will instead be punted until after the election. They are only in session for 2-3 weeks, and they all seem to be running scared. The only way this works is for them to put the GOP on the record with a vote.
     
  16. mc mark

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    agreed

    But if we're looking for dems to have a backbone we're screwed

    [edit] oh well...

    House Dems Will Not Force Vote On Middle Class Tax Cuts

    House Democrats won't be forcing a vote on extending the Bush tax cuts for middle class taxpayers, a senior House leadership aide tells TPM.
     
  17. Raven

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    The big money that supports both parties does not want a tax increase on the rich. Because of this, Democrats aren't willing to make this an issue.

    And the GOP will probably re-take the House, but loose it in four years, when Romney is in the middle of his first term.

    PS, on taxes, I am solidly progressive.
     
  18. Major

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    "You don't need a vote in the House to say the party is blocking tax relief for the middle class - you can just point and say, 'Look! Senate Republicans blocked it,'" the aide said. "If Republicans killed a tax cut, that could be potentially game changing for Democrats in both chambers."

    WTF? How do you claim Republicans killed a tax cut if you don't actually make them vote to kill a tax cut. There are some seriously stupid people out there in the House and Senate.
     
  19. rhadamanthus

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    Dems fold like the sad p*****s they are. As usual.

    What a wasted vote...
     
  20. Invisible Fan

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    She won.

    I'm wondering how this news affects the feces infested mind of a GOP strategist like Frank Luntz. Does it justify their actions for the last 2 years (we had no choice but too look incompetent and hypocritical! Look at what the will of the people made us do!!!)?

    Could they have that moment of clarity that they've reached rock bottom?

    Maybe they'll double down... ride teabag momentum for another 2 years even as voters hate them as much as Democrats. A majority is a majority... :rolleyes:
     

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