At the end of the day when Sengun was playing the Rockets still had one of the best defenses in the NBA. Defense isn't the problem. Offense was and Sengun is the least to worry about on that end so I don't understand this desire to move him at all. Would be a monumental disaster.
I'm totally not opposed to considering moving him for the right deal... BUT trading him for the sake of style of play that helps other players seems to me alot like the move to trade Capela just to adjust style of play to help Westbrook. The fact is we are not in a win now situation just yet. There's time, and flexibility to figure it out as the players grow. The really only question is on cap management/contracts that'll be the big decisions to figure out. But making a move like this for the sake of style of play that you THINK might win you a couple more games is a fools errand IMO. Let's keep in mind that this is the same front office and owner that made the Westbrook trade so.... yeah. I think it would be dumb but I will not be the least bit surprised if it happens again just because Tillman wants to be in the playoffs now, and Stone wants the accolades and recognition that alot of his peers get.
I googled it and it took me to a stats muse page that was found using the query "most double team player per possession 2023-2024". I don't doubt that Sengun was doubled often and I agree that he probably would have been higher on the list had he been playing all season but I do find it interesting that both him and Jalen were doubled as much as they were - to your point, it kind of gives a little context into what teams think about our supporting cast - that they can live with guys like Brooks, FVV, and certainly Amen taking jumpers. I see your point about "why" players are doubled can vary - I remember reading there was a point in time when Klay Thompson would be doubled every time he put the ball on the floor by some teams because his handles were so loose(a point I cited often during Jabari's ugly rookie year). I get why Sengun was rated so highly on post up plays but I think the additional context to that is - most teams don't derive significant portions of their offense through the post anymore so that list probably only has like 3 or 4 guys who regularly get the ball fed to them in the post and would actually be dangerous enough to double - Jokic, Embid, Anthony Davis...and that's the list. That's promising for Sengun but also it's notable to say - ALL THOSE GUYS have range except Sengun. This is why him building a halfway decent 3pt shot is critical because those guys are all MVP candidates and Sengun isn't even an All Star(yet)....but it also explains why Sengun gets doubled there more than any other player because that's the only place where he is a threat to score while the other players have other ways to be effective offensively.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=most+double+team+player+per+possession+2023-2024 edit: this is just total possessions.
StatsMuse is an AI model, so like other AI models he regularly misinterprets your prompt and gives you flawed/irrelevant info. Observing StatsMuse data just by looking at what you typed in the search bar is a recipe for being misguided.
Yup. Sites like Cleaning the glass and Synergy stats aren't gimmicky in this regard and are probably the nest at analyzing things like impact and tracking things like double teams.
Hmm - that's weird I could have sworn Jalen was a little higher when I first pulled this up the other day on stats muse. Maybe they are including playoffs too but I don't see anyone who would have jumped him in that time. Strange...I don't totally get how statmuse works apparently. I wish they wouldn't gate keep these metrics - seems like they should open it up for all - NBA.com is already giving a lot of new stats they weren't every year but there are still some strange gaps in the advanced metrics they provide.
good context - didn't realize we were beta testers for their language models. Thanks for clarifying that. As they say in the AI world, you are what you prompt....
There is a big difference in the regular season and the Playoffs. In the Playoffs its about size and interior, as you can see, if you have been watching the Playoff series. During the season there are many variables; what teams have you played and when? Who played for that team when you played them? Etc. Its more team stats. In the Playoffs, its more individual matchups, because the game slows down.
It turns out that the same voter (one!) voted Sabonis to mvp, dpoy, 1st team all-nba ad 1st team all defense. God, these crazy sabonis only fans are very hard to deal with. Claiming sabonis is in the mvp discussion because a lunatic voted him for best of every category, or thinking that he is one of the most doubled players because statmuse can't interpret your query. And advise others to familiarize themselves with Sabonis's game, and mock others for being only fans, LOL. Thank god sengun only fans are not like that.
It’s our way to being the worst team in the league again. Stupid proposal then and stupid proposal now
Where has this thread been? So glad to have it back in circulation because it's time to discuss. Trading Alpi and #3 for #1/ #6 or #7 is best for him and the TEAM. We could turn this weak draft into a goldmine. Pray for Sarr and Carter!!!!
Issue is as I have said is his lack of stretch capability or ability to consistently shoot beyond 12-15 ft. Most of his scoring is dribble drive from high post or top key. He also gets a lot of short rolls. And he also scores in the low post. Because of where he scores defenses camp down in the paint or sag their defenders off the perimeter to stop him knowing Rockets can’t shoot. Teams also play zone or switch zone/man on us to stop the Sengun dribble drive. That’s why you see the Rockets offense stall is because everything is so compressed. FVV runs the intial high screen action and they load up on Sengun as he rolls. With 3 other players on the perimeter and little movement, the ball might get swung out there but the Rockets miss a lot of those timely and important open threes or get run off. We don’t have a good paint driving 3 and Brooks and Eason aren’t good at driving or finishing in the paint when they get run off which makes it even more difficult to score. Teams left Cam open and he did his damage first half of his games but his shooting was .300 his second half. This is an example of what’s not working. We aren’t making timely shots and There’s not a lot of actions that keep teams off balanced defensively. Teams would play us differently if: Sengun has a stretch capability We had a better 3 which (maybe Whitmore) Can shoot timely open threes when ball is rotated out Why do you think teams like Boston or Dallas or Minn or Pacers are difficult to stop? They play a lot of isos with their best players, great shooting and most of these teams have a stretch 5 forcing a defender to the perimeter and opening up driving and cutting lanes.
Let’s trade our best player, a 21 year old 20/9/5 borderline all-star for draft pick, so we can build around inferior players and draft some rookie who’s probably going to be older than Alpi right now. Ok Bruno truthers.
If you want to trade Alp, first you truly are an idiot when it comes to basketball. Secondly, you’re not a rockets fan to want to see our best player and the main young star with potential to be a superstar on the Rockets. This whole non-defender stuff is ignorant, nothing backs that up. Literally nothing. Open up your closed little minds to new era of basketball.
So your solution is to get an even less capable offensive center to clog the paint even more? To go along with all our wings that can’t penetrate and finish? Make it make sense
