Sengun is the best player of the bunch. Amen Thompson may be a great athlete, but this is not track & field.
If you think we should trade something to try and get him (if we don't draft him outright), then the assets we should consider trading, are, in order KPJ our other first round pick this year -------------- Jabari Tari Green Sengun with anything below the line being too valuable to trade, in my opinion, since Amen is too unproven Happy to trade the two assets above the line.
Seems like Clutchfans not really excited about this kid, I for one really am and would be just as ecstatic to have him if not Wemby. Outside of the physical tools and high bball IQ, he seems very grounded (great family support and accountability) and super focused. Here's an extensive interview with him with Ringer, Very impressed with his wins over Wemby in the exhibition matches and did it in multiple ways as the leader of the team (Scoring one half and then beating them with facilitating in the other). He shows me that he's legit competitive in nature and has the skill and confidence to back it up. I am on the boat of trading a lot to move up to 2nd if possible if we don't get a top two pick. This guy is like a mix of D-rose and Chris Paul, sign me up mang!
I would say we're all pretty excited for him except of course DD(who has a stellar prospect evaluating mind...) if we don't land at #1 because he's basically like having a #1 in most other years. I wouldn't put him in DRose territory or even Ja'. His overall speed/burst/first step/hangtime isn't quite out of this world, but more elite mortal like. His speed and tempo and overall game has shades of CP3 and Kyle Lowry with giant hands for a pg like Rondo, the vertical power of Russ and a strength and body we've maybe never seen from a point guard prospect. We're not talking about roided retirement Mike Bibby, but a kid with an elite football prospects body. He's built like a RB.
I am going to upset some Rockets fans, but I would drive Sengun to the airport if I can get Scoot Henderson for him. I hear a lot of people claim he isn't really athletic - He isn't as athletic as Amen Thompson or Ja Morant or a young Westbrook or John Wall or Derrick Rose. However that is like 5 point guards in the last 20 years? Also, athleticism isn't even what makes Henderson so special - he has amazing body control. He has better body control that any of the uber athletic point guards. The only guys I can think of with better body control are guys like Harden, Jordan, Kobe, Iverson, Nash. The only non star that I can think of that had similar body control was Stephon Marbury and he lacked the athleticism or strength that Henderson has. Henderson is 2-3 inches shorter than I would like, but he is extremely strong, has a low center of gravity and a 6'10" wingspan with large hands. He has everything he needs to be a genuine star in the NBA. People are really sleeping on him.
It's just weird that Sengun's name is being bought up. He and Henderson are of different positions. If it's strictly because Sengun has value but maybe not the type people want because... ? There are those who like Sengun. And those who have reservations. For those who have reservations, don't you think other rebuild teams might share the same reservations? 1) If people here think Sengun can only fit in a very specific system; other teams most likely feel the same way. In which case, if you're talking about trade scenarios (right or wrong), that limits the trading partners. 2) From what I've seen; most bottom teams are also looking for that homerun because the rookie/sophmores (outside of a Paolo or Evan) are also question marks. * Detroit, for example, would take Henderson at 2, even if they have ivey and Cade. They're still searching for their home run. Worst case, one of the guys play off-ball or put one with 2nd unit. * Hornets, where they likely prefer another ball handler with LaMelo (sorry Rozier). * San Antonio just gutted their team, so they need a PG. * Wizards - common knowledge by Wiz fans that Beal is much better when he does less playmaking and focus more purely on scoring. So a PG to pair with him is ideal. All the bottom teams (like us) care more about BPA (than fit). But even taking fit into account; they all can use a playmaking guard. That said just throwing / dangling Sengun because he's good despite not being a high pick, is really singling him out.
Hmm maybe cause people think Sengun needs the ball in his hand being a point center? But it is interesting to think about the players I would be willing to give up on top of our pick this year and more. I would obviously be willing to trade KPJ, KMJ, Tate etc. Would have to think hard if the other teams wanted, Jabari, Jalen, Sengun, or even Tari..I might Jalen tbh :X
You simply can not pass on this dude. However i've a bad news for you. I can sense these type of **** it's sorta like 6th sense and we are getting the 4th pick.
Yeah, I would give up Sengun for Scoot straight-up. I think most NBA GMs would too. And maybe they could be proven wrong, but I'd bet you that is the sentiment around the league. But that said, I see no reason they couldn't play well together if we land #2 in the lottery (or #3 and somebody else is crazy enough to pick Miller second). It's working fine for Murray + Jokic, Fox + Sabonis.
I'm also on the Scoot bandwagon - been here for a while actually(and got the receipts to prove it). Not sure about his ceiling, but the kid will be a VERY good player at the very least and likely a far more capable PG than KPJ. I concur that he seems to have the right amount of traits you would hope to see in a young player of his level - an intense dedication to his craft both in the gym AND in the film room, a singular focus on being a basketball player and nothing else, a willingness to rise to the moment (like in those duals with Victor with everyone watching), a certain fearlessness but also awareness of your weaknesses(it's rare to have both)....you just don't see kids at his age with that level of dedication...and hey - he can finish at the rim, has a high motor, has a good mid range game, is a very good passer, is a competitive defender. His shot could use some work, but there is defintely a "young Chris Paul' thing to his game that bodes well for him to eventually add to his skills. I'm all on board.
Just my opinion; unless a player really breaks out. Like making all NBA team, ROTY, or been around long enough 3-5th year where there's enough data. GMs (nowadays) would rarely trade their 2nd pick for someone drafted 16th, even if that person's basketball play (Sengun) show that he's as good as those top prospects. If Rockets ask my team for a 2nd, I'd look at the Rockets, and they don't have any of those aforementioned players. The only comparable pieces, are Rocket's recent 2nd or 3rd picks. High draft positions (but unproven). Unless Rockets offer me other things; like renting cap space to get rid of my bad contracts, very few would give up their #2. I realize that Seugn-fans may be fierce in their opinions and could rub people off a different way. Putting that aside; Sengun as a player on this team has been underdog. Somewhat flourished despite silas' regme. People's bias of a player's high draft position is very strong. From GMs to fan base (myself included). Those players drafted in the mid lottery has much shorter leash has to really prove themselves. How many times have we seen Sengun has to claw for his minutes under Silas. Only GM who might do it is if Ainge sees something that we don't; like he came from the future on a time machine. Somehow knows short Henderson was a bust; but got Tari + Sengun out of us. In an else-world, where Tari turned into a Kawahi and Sengun turned out to be Jokic.
