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  1. astros123

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    The funny thing that lefties and right wingers like @Commodore @Space Ghost (horseshoe theory) ALWAYSSSSS forget to mention is how biden *REMOVED* trumps sanctions on Nordstream 2 BEFORE the invasion.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/en...ias-nord-stream-2-pipeline-source-2021-05-19/

    Republicans and even democrats were pissed at biden for doing so and called him weak on Russia. It's always the same folks repeating the same braindead Russian conspiracies. It gets so old and tiresome when these folks spin same bullshit that somehow America made putin invade.

    Biden gave putin almost everything he wanted before the invasion. Withdrew troops from Ukraine, Afghanistan, and removed sanctions on his pipeline. These "anti imperialist anti war " folks love Russian imperialism and have no issue bootlicking him

    Their brains are broken since the Iraq war. They can't grasp the idea of putin being a bad person. It's so sad.

    AOC in congress was blaming the military establishment during the first few weeks of the invasion. Lefties are utterly incapable of governoring and can never be in the white house.
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    You do understand we are not at war with Russia, k?

    The previous administration brokered the exit from Ukraine and Biden followed through with it. Keep cherry picking the facts.
     
  3. dmoneybangbang

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    You do understand Russia has been trying to control it's former soviet states? There is no appeasing Putin's Russia, he only understands force.

    The Trump admin didn't broke an exit from Ukraine..... what are you talking about?
     
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    You mean Afghanistan? You hit your head on something or just watching too much Newsmax?
     
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    The thing that makes me so mad about these Russian stooges is they magically forget putin OWN SPEECH he gave before the invasion.

    Putin literally said ukraine isn't a real country Nd he wants to rebuild the old Soviet union yet these idiots wanna bend over backwards and bootlick putin.

    Anyone who I meet in real life who is pro Russian I automatically lose respect for them. There has never been a more just cause than helping the Ukrainians.
     
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  6. Space Ghost

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    Definitely hit my head. Biden would never leave Ukraine.

    I'm sure the resident fact checker will dig this error up in 5 years
     
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    Their is disagreement among the left. It is possible to see Putin as a bad person and to see the US hawks including quite a number of Democrats who were interested in not having Russia be part of the West but who kept reneging on promises not on promises to not keep moving missiles and NATO to the Russian borders.
     
  8. Nook

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    Nothing against the poster, but Prigozhin is such a dramatic POS.

    First, there is almost no difference between Wagner and the Russian military.

    The reason that Wagner is in such high esteem is because it allows for Putin to launder money and it gives him a second military if there is ever an attempt to over throw him.

    All of the training for Wagner is done at Russian military sites as well.

    There is nothing elite about Wagner either, they essentially take prisoners, orphans, drug addicts and foreigners and pay them a $1,000 a month to fight on the frontlines until they are killed.

    Prigozhin is a disgusting pig. He is a Jew that is full of self hatred and has surrounded himself with human waste like Dimitry Utkin, who is a proud neo-nazi and nationalist. The leaders of Wagner are all vile people.

    They will all end up dead or eventually made to face justice at the end of a rope.
     
  9. Nook

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    Depends... right now Wagner is paying $25,000 to the family of each dead soldier. I haven't heard if they have STOPPED making payment, but that is the way they have kept families from commenting on their dead relatives - the money is contingent on the family saying nothing.
     
  10. Nook

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    This is one of the silliest things I have read in a long time.

    The upper ranks of Russian society in full of thieves, murderers, criminals, military officials, neo-nazi's and Rodnoverie adherents.

    Russia isn't peacefully going into the night.

    Indeed, most of the oligarchs in Russia around Putin that were not nationaist zealots have been pushed out since the Ukranian invasion.

    It is a widely overstated trope, but the power structure in Russia is like Nazi Germany in that it is made up of a very diverse group that are not products of the government or state - they are very radical with very strong counter culture opinions.
     
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  11. dmoneybangbang

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    And likewise Russia reneged on its promises and kept attacking its Central Asian neighbors.

    There is a reason why countries want to join NATO and it’s because of Russia’s actions before and after the Soviet Union.

    Force is the only way to stop Putin.
     
  12. Nook

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    Sure, it is simple. Russia can stop invading the nation of Ukraine.

    That is all it takes.
     
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    That IS an unacceptable outcome.

    All the Russians have to do is leave Ukraine.
     
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  14. Nook

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    Right....... except it is obvious that the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians do NOT want to surrender and become, at best a vassal state of Russia, and at worst be murdered in mass.

    Also, I don't understand why this is so difficult for you - there is nothing to negotiate. Russia can leave the Ukraine or continue the war.
     
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    It’s hard for the far left and far right to admit they were wrong about Russia.
     
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  16. astros123

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    Don't you know the number 1 rule of thumb of lefties? America is the worst country in the world and is responsible for all the world's problems. This is a core belief of all lefties and when you understand this viewpoint it makes everything easier.
     
  17. astros123

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    @Commodore



    How come ukraine isn't accepting a ceasefire? God damn neocons those Ukrainians! How dare them not willing to give up all their weapons and lay down to russia..

    Man that guy biden sure is a damn war monger!
     
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  18. Space Ghost

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    And if Russia offers to leave 100% but requires Ukraine to disarm all western weapons in exchange for Russian/Chinese weapons, would you be ok with that?

    I suspect we all would have a serious issue if Mexico abandoned US weapons and instead started arming with Russian and Chinese weapons.
     
  19. Space Ghost

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    This is what Russia wants. They want the war to continue. Putin does not care how many people die. He wants the entire world involved.

    Convince all the BRIC's to stop supporting Russia. The opposite is happening.
     
  20. astros123

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    Can you please show me what weapons these BRIC countries are providing ? I seriously get so depressed thinking how clueless the Boomer generation truly is by looking at your posts.
     

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