is there any general manager in any sport you would take over morey if the money they could spend is equal. i dont think morey is just the top nba general manager, i think he could replicate that success in baseball and football. yeah i just went there. we are lucky for many things with the rockets, but our number one asset right now is daryl f'n morey.
No offense to CD, but Morey's the best GM the Rockets have ever had. The football/baseball comment, I don't know about. But he's definitely the best GM in Houston sports right now.
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=173995 Listen to the Radio interview in that thread and Morey actually discusses his own Fantasy Football league and if Money Ball would be plausible in the NFL. It comes down to the fact there are far more outside factors when dealing with 22 guys on a field vs. 10 on a court. So no, while Morey would probably have greater success than you or I acting as a GM for a football or baseball team, I doubt it translates vertically as you are suggesting.
Your conclusion is logically flawed in that it is dependent upon the assumption that Morey solely utilizes Money Ball techniques in his operation of the team.
For now, I will keep Morey. He doesn't have much of a sample size to judge him on yet but so far I like most of what he has done and I respect his intelligence immensely. I think 5 years from now he is going to be considered one of the top 5 GMs in professional sports.
I like Morey, but that might be rating him too high. I googled best General Manager and clicked on a Forbes link. Best GM: Kevin Mchale Worst GM: Carroll Dawson Maybe Forbes should stick to valuations.
Well first of all, cabbage, thank you for putting me in my place while offering no other insight on the topic. Regardless, our topic here is could d. Morey "replicate his success in baseball and football?" Correction: In my initial statement, I stated Morey's use of "Money Ball." My mistake. The interview refers to Statistical Analysis. Moving on. In the interview, Morey discusses the Football Outsiders, a group who is dedicated to calculating player worth based on Statistical Analysis. He further comments that their are far too many outside factors to make any reliable use of this method in football stating that, "isolating a player almost seems impossible" comparing the game flow of football to basketball. Obviously, Morey utilizes more than Money Ball in the management of his team. It would be unreasonable to think otherwise, but that is what Morey is known for, discovering the value of players based on statistical analysis. However, it is even more unreasonable to suggest that Morey could translate his techniques that he applies to the Rockets, to the Texans, after listening to that interview. So, I stand by my initial conclusion, "Morey would have greater success than you or I, [but] I doubt it translates vertically as you are suggesting."
For now Morey has shown nothing in terms of bringing great player and/or winning titles, he has earned two bad contracts that were there before he joined. I think Morey should be really judged based on what he does from next year ON. At least in the results department. I mean, it´s not his fault that we will have 40 million bucks sitting on the rafters this year. Regarding his player moves, i think he has made some nice moves, in terms of adding good to regular players, for little money, Scola, Brooks and Landry, in that order, are his best moves, and i think Lowry and Anderse will be joining that list soon. Regarding roster conformation, i really don´t like his way of thinking. Since he joined, evendoe he signed usefull players at nice prices, he was unable to solve for good both deficiencies the team had when he arrived. We still lack a cappable backup C, and we still lack a cappable, natural Shooting Guard. We have entered this 3 seasons stacked at the PF and SF spots and lacked at SG and C in everyone of them.
That a person is reputable due to a certain trait does not indicate or prove the paramountcy of that trait in his operations or in causing his success. Hakeem Olajuwan is known for the 'dreamshake' but that isn't necessarily his most high percentage shot. Strawman. The OP didn't suggest that Morey could translate his 'techniques' in those other domains. His suggestion was in translating his success. Your mistaken assumption is that said theoretical success (on Morey's part) is necessarily inclusive of the aforementioned techniques. By itself, due to some other pragmatic skepticism, your conclusion could be understandable, but on the basis of your argument, it is inherently flawed as I have demonstrated. Daryl Morey strikes me as a guy who is smart enough to succeed in other realms. If anything, the cited evidence in your interview helps make the case for probable success as it demonstrates that he is smart enough to realize the restrictions on the scope of applicability of his techniques and would not be rigidly insistent upon their imposition. He developed his metric most likely because he saw the practical benefits in its utilization in the game of basketball. There hasn't been any evidence to suggest that he uses his techniques to the exclusion of other considerations and most certainly isn't any to indicate that he would be inherently tied to them, especially in a different field.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone to replace Morey with. There have certainly been more successful GMs. But I can't imagine any of them could've done better than what Morey did given our situation.
R.C. Buford is better but I still love Morey. Kind of like taking Hakeem in the draft -- the "other guy" may be better but you're still more than content with what you already have.
What have the Spurs done recently that makes you think Buford could've done better here? I know people will always point to Parker and Ginobili, but those success hasn't been replicated since. And SA has continued to rely on old rejects to round out their roster rather than young blood. My biggest problem with Morey is that he hasn't shown what he can do when the stakes are high. And by that I mean what he can do with a high lottery pick(draft Marvin Williams over CP3?) or with a ton of money in FA(can he lure top FA to Houston). IMO, the Rudy Gay draft doesn't count because it was a crappy draft, and Portland cockblocked us from Roy.
The situations are different. RC is excellent. He has the old Jerry West challenge: keep the team together and vital. Replace maybe one piece per year. He has handled his challenge terrifically. Morey is trying to build a team almost from scratch, trying to find complementary pieces all over the roster. He is excellent at his job. How might they do if their positions were reversed? To my way of thinking, there are some terrific GMs. Some not. Colangelo Jr yes. Kerr no. Donnie Walsh appears afraid of his own shadow, with NYK and pacers before then. He is way overrated IMHO. Kupchak did a stroke of genius deal for Gasol (or was the genius in being able to be the one to talk to Heisley???) but otherwise has done little to augment the #1 player in the world. Ferry has spent the large $ well; could he succeed on a budget? Variables, variables. And variables. In DM the GM I trust. Invariably.
this question cannot be answered until a team fully constructed by DM has had a fair chance to compete. Right now, the entire team is still built around Tracy and Yao, neither of which are players that DM had any say in, nor whose contracts he constructed. He has been asked to assemble a viable team around a foundation that was not of his choosing, and I don't think its fair to judge his success or failure as a GM given that. At the moment, we can only ask the question of whether he has done a good job of keeping the team competitive and relevant given the challenges he has faced and roster limitations he inherited, and I think the answer to that question is yes.
The last deal Morey did with Buford was to get Scola for Spanoulis' expiring contract, as Buford was relying on Tiago Splitter to slide in to the lineup. You think he'd like to have that one back by now?
no its derived from when dennis lindsey and cd were in charge of b ball operations. loved lindsey...its too bad he went to the hated spurs...he is going to be running a team very soon i would think...he and morey together would have had the rest of the nba running for cover.
