As I have watched the team play all year, I have seen that we are not the best in the league at anything!!! Partially because Adelman is trying to let the squad do what they do best; however, it is becoming more evident that a Adelman system is slowly coming into place. PROBLEM: Chuck Hayes has way too many minutes in corellation to Scola and Landry. He is the WORST player on the team (talent-wised). He is no longer scrapping the way he did under JVG, which got im to the NBA. i.e. Against the New York Knicks, he scores 4 pts and has 4 rebs. in 37 minutes...the guy he guards has 18 pts. and 22 rebs. So was it his defense that kept him on the floor? It almost looked like the Rockets coaching staff was trying to keep the game close with having Battier and Hayes on the floor for extended minutes (AKA non-scorers) I hope that Adelman will stop his play 1 quater mentality and put the proper line-ups on the court to be effective and create some space in the points column! A. Brooks, Bonzi, Scola, Yao combination works pretty fluid together. We do not have to use Rafer in that mix, but that is okay because Coach A is doing that for ball handling skills only. ___________________________ Bottom Line: Scola > Hayes....Shake up the line-up and bench Chuck, he gives menothing for all those minutes. Landy's development is being suppressed for no reason at all! How many double doubles does Chuck have again?
Explain then how we do better when Chuck is on the floor and win more games that he plays more minutes in? check the stats... go to his game log at NBA.com and see when he plays more minutes, even if his stat line isn't anything to write home about, we win more games. If you can prove without a doubt we do better when he's off the court, even I will agree with you to bench the sorry son of a gun!
Did you watch the game? Hayes was playing outstanding defense. You conveniently left out Randolph was 7-19 and had 6 turnovers. Hayes led the team in +/- against the Knicks and Scola was the only player with a negative +/-. That wasn't a mistake. Just because you can't see Hayes' contributions doesn't mean the coaches can't.
chuck is THE best post defender for the rox.. i really really hoped that day against boston CHuck was guarding KG in the end....KG owned Yao in the last 2 min....i am pretty sure CHuck would have done better guarding KG
Personally, we look handicapped on both ends of the floor when the power forward is worth anything! Against the Knicks, Chuck ran into the same spot on the floor (right side of the paint and stayed planted without moving). Conventional basketball says that everyone should atleast be able to attempt a shot, but I saw him hiding and evading potential passes last night as well as in Boston, where KG looked unattended to. The +/- system means squat if he wont hussle that way he did to make the squad! If he will not make the cuts down the land to pretend like an offensive threat, we can not make a viable run to get un back in contention for a playoff spot POINT BLANK gentlemen!
Yep, Hayes definitely had a very good game against the Knicks. He definitely deserves a good amount of floor time. However, I don't think he is a long-term solution at the starting 4 spot. He's too much of a liability on offense. Scola could eventually be that long term starter.
Sooner423, please explain what constitues him as having a very good game? I have watched basketball all my life and I would say that Yao had a very good game as well as A. Brooks, but Hayes?!? But I do agree that Scola would be a better selection at the 4 spot. We need the threat because contrary to a previous belief: Hayes post defense is a little under-average!
I'm trying to figure out how Hayes is supposed to have stop hustling. I don't see it. The guy works as hard as anyone on the team and as hard as he always did. He is still rebounding, playing tough positional D, playing much better help D than guys who usually subs for him (Scola, Bonzi).
Stats for 2007-08 from 82games.com Net pts./100 possessions (on court v. off) Hayes +4.0 Scola +3.1 Effective FG% (on v. off) Hayes +1.9% Scola -1.4% Assisted field goals (on. v off) Hayes +5% Scola -5% Shots blocked (on. v off) Hayes +1% Scola -2% Total rebounding (on v off) Hayes +0.2% Scola +0.2 If you care to see more stats for most of the players http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=140261 you will see that Hayes is one of the top five all-around contributors on the team.
Hayes is what he always will be in the NBA: a marginal, stop-gap power forward that ideally is at the end of your bench if even part of your roster. When Scola becomes fully adjusted to this league, or we acquire a REAL power forward, the Hayes Days in Houston will be over. At a minimum, he will be relegated to a reserve role. Even when considering Hayes' positive attributes, he is by far the worst starting PF in the league. His lack of height and offensive skills make him an overall liability. If the stats show that an increase in Chuck's playing time is correlated with more wins, I say that is only because we are still lacking a better option. We would win even more games if we had a better option. Once Scola develops some consistency, he should be that better option. If not, we will eventually find a true power forward to replace Hayes.
You guys are right. We need scorers at all positions, preferably All Stars. Players who defend, rebound, never take bad shots and do all of the "blue color" aspects of the game have no place on the court. Do I think that Chuck can be a liability at times because of his lack of offense? Yeah, I do. I also think more times than not this team is better with him on the court than with him on the bench and the numbers and our last two coaches seem to agree. Chuck's lack of offense was a known handicap when he joined this team and when he resigned with this team. Stop blaming Chuck Hayes because our "scorers" aren't scoring. I don't hear anyone complaining about Rafer's inability to block shots or Aaron Brooks not pulling down a lot of rebounds. Chuck does the job he is paid to do quite well even if the causal fan is unable to see that.
Please explain. I watched the game. How did Scola scoring 5-6 in 14 minutes "produce a negative +/-". Please explain from what you have seen at the game. I did not see Scola get burned on the defensive end, either. He had one turnover, but one steal as well. If anything, Scola subbed for Yao Ming several times, so he was probably the player who played the least with Yao at the same time - perhaps that might explain your finding of this miraculous +/- stat. Also, Scola was on the court a bit when the Knicks (particularly Nate Robinson) were bombing threes from all over the place - but Scola was guarding the post at that time, not the perimeter. However, your remark "that wasn't a mistake" seems to insinuate that you witnessed a bad performance by Scola. And saying that, with all due respect, would be nonsense.
Scola's issue, as the coaching staff have repeatedly pointed out, is defense. Not particularly man defense, but rather team defense-- making the right rotations and reads. Chuck maintains defensive integrity better, not just by checking his own man, but making the right decision on helping teammates. This is why Scola's minutes are still limited. I expect these minutes to go up if he improves on the weaker aspects of his game.
Well said. Chuck Hayes is an awful starting PF. He should be a scrub at best. It pains me to see him in our starting lineup. For being so unathletic and unskilled, I admit he gets the most out of his very limited ability.
Scola did not have a good game last night. Notice his relatively low minutes (14). I remember specifically thinking, after he got pulled after some mistake, "Some nights aren't your best. You'll get another chance." I wish I could remember what the mistake was though.
If you look at RA's Sac King team he had guys who could shoot and pass at every position on the court. Those were the guys who make his system work and they got all the minutes. Our roster still has JVG's finger prints all over it. In Chuck's defense he is our best post defender, a good passer, and rebounder. He just can't shoot to save his life. We should have a spot on the roster for Chuck I just don't see him getting all the minutes he's getting now and he shouldn't be starting. If he ever develops a perimeter shot even if it's just a set shot he would be a poor man's Charles Oakley.
I'm torn...I love Chuck Hayes for the hustle and defense he brings...but can the guy at least develop a short little jumper? Can he lock himself in a gym until he gets rid of that hitch in his FT? I know he's put alot of work in the defensive side, if only he can put the same amount of work on his offensive shortcomings.
Chuck Hayes isnt a problem, I love his defense the guy held Chris Bosh to barely any points, and is a great rebounder, wouldnt mind him still in the lineup. But I think we need to trade Shane Battier before we trade Chuck Hayes.
