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Was there ever backcourt duo that won?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bmelo, Sep 16, 2020 at 1:56 AM.

  1. bmelo

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    I was just thinking this. All of the recent duos/superteams relied on either two forwards, guard +forward/big, forward+big. There was never in recent history two true guards both under 6’5 that would win. Thats why we have problems in playoffs guys are too drained physicaly

    LeBron/AD
    Kawhi/Siakam
    Curry/Durant
    Curry/Klay(i know he plays sg but he is a forward)
    Bron/Kyrie
    Bron/Wade
    Dirk/Kidd
    Kobe/Gasol
    Duncan/Parker
    Billups/Rasheed
    Kobe/Shaq
    Jordan/Pippen


    We got our power badly constructed... it worked with CP until he got hurt from overplaying and that is my point
     
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    Lol isiah Thomas & joe dumars back 2 back

    and Klay is a sg
     
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  3. bmelo

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    He is Forward playing position of SG. He has no handles, tall athletic defensive 3point specialist. And You having to bring up 80s basketball just proves my point that without lenght there is way lesser chance to win and you got to have premier wing/big to suceed all the way. We got two pointguards and nothing else
     
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    Nobody besides you thinks Klay is a forward. If that’s the case Harden is a Center and we are fine
     
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  5. bmelo

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    He's taller than our: PG, SG, SF and PF/C (PJ). He covers best perimeter player of opposing team whether its Guard or SF. Maybe I poorly constructed my point, but we have two small guys as main go to, whereas history shows you need variance to create DIFFERENT mismatches.
     
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    You probably only need 1 combo guard to accomplish the task.

    2 are luxury in Houston's case.

    You can't fill those holes in the front court as fast.

    Why did the Celtics have 4 or 5 Allstars in the past?

    Stars didn't earn that much in the past.

    Star small forwards were the real poster boys of the NBA for a long time except Jordan.

    Gms like to pair them up with bigs and PGs.

    Steph, Dame and Harden ushered in a new era of long range shooting guards.

    It's good for dynamic spacing if they had the other superstar in the front court and someone who could defend and shoot.
     
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    you could make the argument that harden is a F.

    he is best at guarding 3, 4, 5. not great at 2-3. needs to play with guys who can guard the perimeter and shoot (sounds like other guards).

    I'd reconstruct the roster like this:

    C = Trade
    PF = Roco
    SF = Harden
    SG = Trade
    PG = Rus

    then look to combine ego/pj/house into a center and/or sg.
     
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    bmelo is the fab melo of clutchfans
     
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    Clyde Frazier and Black Jesus. Walt and Earl.
     
  10. bmelo

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    Prehistory. Its forwards league
     
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    Ex-Rockets and wanted to be Rockets. Goran and Jimmeh will be the next.
     
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    Walt Frazier & Earl Monroe.
     
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    Clay is really 6'5 don't believe the hype.
     
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    Steph and klay won before KD got there
     
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    You’re clearly making things up to try and prove a point that is insignificant.
    a) Klay is definitely a shooting guard.
    b) If you’re going to argue Klay isn’t a guard then Harden is whatever position Lebron is
    c) I love how you just said Billups/Rasheed. Makes me question if you’re actually being a smartass with the Klay thing or if you actually have no clue. I could argue Billups/Hamilton, and you should argue Billups/Wallace
     
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    I think you have a good point which is that it's almost impossible to win it all without an all star level impact player in the front court. Rather than argue about Klay being a forward (he's not), you should just talk about Draymond. I don't consider that team to be a Steph/Klay duo, to me it's a big 3, and Draymond is maybe more important than Klay. They don't win without Draymonds playmaking ability.
     
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    This is more of a valid point--that you need talent around your top 2 players, e.g. a Big 3/4--in order to raise your chances of winning it all. He/she is either in denial that the examples they brought up clearly has other superior players outside of the duo or is just not a knowledgeable fan.

    The OP's list:

    LeBron/AD: still TBD on how far they can get.
    Kawhi/Siakam: because Kyle Lowry, Serge Ibaka, Marc Gasol and Fred VanVleet somehow didn't exist
    Curry/Durant: because Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, and Andre Iguodala somehow didn't exist
    Curry/Klay(i know he plays sg but he is a forward): because Draymond Green and Andre Iguodala somehow didn't exist
    Bron/Kyrie: because Kevin Love somehow didn't exist
    Bron/Wade: because Chris Bosh and Ray Allen somehow didn't exist
    Dirk/Kidd: because Jason Terry somehow didn't exist
    Kobe/Gasol: because Lamar Odom and Ron Artest somehow didn't exist
    Duncan/Parker: because Manu Ginobili and Kawhi Leonard somehow didn't exist
    Billups/Rasheed: because Rip Hamilton and Ben Wallace somehow didn't exist
    Kobe/Shaq:
    Jordan/Pippen: because Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman and Toni Kukoc somehow didn't exist

    Outside of the Kobe/Shaq team each of those examples had a clear cut All-Star level player or two on the roster.

    The most egregious team on the list was the Pistons team that basically relied on Billups and Hamilton to score every night but somehow OP decided to put in Sheed's name instead of Rip's.
     
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  18. bmelo

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    Maybe because English is not my first language y'all missed my entire point and that was: at least 1 of the premier players on the team have got to play big. **** Klay and his position, that's still one team out of 20? And it took top3 greatest 3pt specialist to accomplish that?

    Every team on that list wouldn't win without 'the bigger' guy I listed. And the point is: WE HAVE NO PREMIER BIGGER GUY.
    And we won't win chip until we got one quote me on that. Don't come at me with Miami when Adebayo saves conference finals game with blocked shot at the rim too.

    There is a ton of small guys that have skill because that's just how nature works, taller skillful guys are rare that's why you can switch Lowry/Terry/etc for another decent point with similar results. Tons of them don't even make the NBA because talent pool is too big. And you can't just find skilled guy over 6'6 or more like that and more often than not, if you are all small and come against balanced roster - you are going to loose in 7 game series.
     
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    Bad Boys and 03 Pistons
    Splash Bros
    Can make an argument for Parker/Ginobili
    Frazier/Monroe

    I mean obviously there are nuances (some quite obvious) but there's nothing saying a backcourt duo can't win.
     
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    kenny smith and vernon maxwell

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