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Playoffs James Harden Vs. Regular Season James Harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mr. Dominant, Aug 26, 2020.

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Will James Harden change?

  1. YES, his career is far from over & he‘ll soon lead Houston to the finals/win a championship.

  2. YES, his career is far from over & he‘ll soon lead Houston to the finals/win multiple championships.

  3. NO, he will continue having only regular season success.

  4. NOT SURE, someone cursed the Rockets after Houston won back to back championships in 1994/1995.

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  1. Mr. Dominant

    Mr. Dominant Contributing Member

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    I’m the biggest Rockets fan I know... but enough is enough.


    The disparity between regular-season-Harden and playoffs-Harden breaks my heart not only as a ride and die Rockets fan, but as a sports fan as well.


    Yes, I know injuries of team-mates, who your actual team mates are/fit, style of play, coach, playoff-matchups, and possible (obvious) fixing from the referees determine the many factors of success and failures... but how much longer will we adhere to this incredible regular-season play by James Harden year-in and year-out knowing that when the playoffs come, James Harden is never close to his usual magnificent self and will let us down?


    Don’t get me wrong, I know we are all (majority of us I hope) 100% thankful and grateful and everything in between to even having/landing a franchise player in James Harden and that we always have a chance night in and night out during the regular-season and post-season because of him unlike many other teams.



    James Harden has done a lot in 11 years (3 years coming off the bench in OKC and 8 years and counting as the franchise player for Houston):


    •2009-10 All-Rookie

    •2011-12 Sixth Man

    •2016-17 AST (Assist To Turnover) Champ

    •8x All Star

    •2x Scoring Champ

    •6x All-NBA

    •2017-18 MVP


    •Youngest player to reach 1,000 career three-pointers made.

    •Only player to record 60-point triple-double (60 points, 11 assists and 10 rebounds).

    •Only player in NBA history to record a 40-point triple-double while playing less than thirty minutes. He recorded 43 points, 12 assists, and 10 rebounds in 29 minutes 34 seconds of playtime in a victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers. (1/11/19)

    •Only player in NBA history to score at least 30 points against all other teams in the NBA within a single season.

    •Only player in 2017-2018 to score over 35 points 15 times.

    •Only player in NBA history to make at least 200 three-pointers and 700 free throws in a single season. (has achieved this twice)

    •Only player in NBA history to record at least 34 points and 17 assists in a season opener.

    •Only player in NBA history to record at least 60 points, 25 assists, and 15 rebounds through his first two games this season.

    •Only player in NBA history to record at least 50 points, 15 rebounds, 15 assists in a game.

    •Only player in NBA history to record at least 51 points, 12 rebounds, 5 steals in a game.

    •Only player in NBA history to record at least 10 three-pointers and 9 assists in a game.

    •Only player in NBA history to record at least 5 three-pointers, 8 two-pointers, 22 free throws in a game.

    •Only player in NBA history to record at least 2,000 points, 900 assists, and 600 rebounds in a single season.



    It’s safe to say we’ve grown with James Harden like a baby through many ups and downs, and it feels like we’ve changed his diaper (both good and bad) many times throughout the years, but we’re on the 8th year finishing now. Yes, we’re on the 8th year with James Harden with no finals appearance and no championship. EIGHT. We got him in 2012. It’s 2020 now. In 2 years it’ll be a decade with him. You and I both will be 10 years older than when we got him... let that sink in.


    So, do you think we will ever get a mamba-mentality James Harden in the playoffs that’ll actually lead us to the promised land and win us that championship(s) we’ve been desiring since the Hakeem days no matter who his star team-mate is and/or role players are? Or will James Harden forever be irrelevant in the playoffs for us and continue letting us down regardless of the magnificent offensive player he is during the regular season and just continue having a stripper-mentality and not a mamba-mentality and flex his muscles off the court?
     
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  2. Reeko

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    Hakeem didn’t win a title until his 11th season

    Harden would have a title if not for CP3’s hamstring, or he could just pull a Bron or KD and leave to go form a super team somewhere else
     
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  3. kingkingston

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    This just isn't true, it isn't like he is averaging in the teens. I swear people take him for granted all the time.

    It has taken a superstar team and costly injuries to stop him leading the Rockets to a title.

    5 straight years his Playoff ppg has gone up. Even though he is launching 13 threes a game, his overall FG percentage is his highest since becoming a rocket. His turnovers are his lowest at 2.5 since 11-12

    He is averaging his highest ppg rpg apg field goal percentage in the Playoffs as a Rocket
     
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  4. OlajuwonFan81

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    Tonight is the type of game he needs to lift the Rockets on his back. He's clearly the best player on the floor, these are the moments where legends are made. I'm very curious to see how he performs.
     
  5. J.R.

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    Regular Season James Harden:
    Top 5 player
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    Postseason James Frauden:
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  6. jiggyfly

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    This guy.

    When has Kobe ever taken a team like this to playoffs?
     
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  7. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    The difference between regular season Harden and playoff Harden is that the Knicks are never in the playoffs. o_O
     
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  8. durvasa

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    The regular season and the playoffs are different. We see it every year. There's no reason to think that what one does in the regular season will translate to the playoffs. Some guys play in a way that makes them better in the playoffs, an some guys play in a way that makes them worse.

    With Harden, even if there is a dip, he is so staggeringly good in the regular season that we should still be good enough to contend with him in the postseason.
     
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  9. Reeko

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    Kevin Durant’s efficiency drop from the regular season to the postseason was actually higher than Harden’s when he was in OKC

    Harden could easily go form a super team somewhere else, ease his burden tremendously, win a title, and then all of the sudden be a champion and playoff god like KD is now viewed as instead of toiling away in Houston trying to drag his team to a title with injured or inconsistent-trash help

    and make no mistake, if Harden left to form a super team, it is OVER for the rest of the league

    Harden, aging 33 yo CP3, and role players was enough to beat Steph, KD, Klay, and Draymond in their prime

    replace Harden with Steph in that lineup, and holy sh*t...we’d be calling for boycotting the league in order to put a stop to the dominance

    the Clippers called us to see if Harden was available before settling on PG...if we had traded Harden to the Clippers to play with Kawhi and coach Doc with Steve Balmer and his endless pockets as owner...that is a dynasty in LA
     
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  10. vlaurelio

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    so you're saying coaching and everyone else stepped up bigtime in the playoffs and harden held them back from a chip?
     
  11. Asian Sensation

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    CP3 was healthy last year. Kevin Durant got injured in the 3rd quarter of game 5 in a dead even 2-2 series with the game and series up for grabs heading into the 4th quarter.

    You couldn’t ask for a better opportunity. Last year was an even better chance than 2018. Kawhi took advantage of his opportunity, put his team on his back when games were on the line, stamped his legacy with clutch plays throughout the playoffs and Finals while adding another ring. He basically did everything we wished Harden could do.
     
  12. Reeko

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    CP3 was a shell of himself, please stop...

    Kawhi played an even more injured GS for a full series, not just 5 quarters, and still almost lost

    terrible post with no context
     
  13. Asian Sensation

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    Kawhi carried his team when Lowry struggled. And you just gonna automatically assume Harden was gonna beat LeBron in 2018?
     
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  14. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

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    About Harden and super teams:

    Is all-star game performance at all predictive of how good a player would be if part of a "super team"? As spectacular as Harden is in the regular season, he appears very ordinary in all-star game settings. I hate to draw any conclusions from an exhibition game, but I do wonder if that should tell us something.
     
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  15. Reeko

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    Carried against who? Philly? I know you’re not talking about against GS in the finals. The 17-18 Rockets would’ve annihilated the Cavs in 2018, are u kidding me? Maybe it goes to 6 if CP3 missed the entire series.
     
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  16. Reeko

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    Lol, All-Star games? That tells us absolutely nothing. Harden doesn’t take them seriously.
     
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  17. jordnnnn

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    Personally I think Harden could have done just as much(maybe more) with Klay and Draymond as his 2nd and 3rd best players.

    They would seem to have complimented him perfectly.

    Klay a guy who can drop 50 without dribbling and guard the better guard.

    Draymond a defensive MVP, who can be a creative outlet off of double teams.

    Think it would have worked nicely.
     
  18. Asian Sensation

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    So one year CP3 is washed up and the next year he carries another team to the same record as Harden and ties the series up at 2 a piece. Harden must be the unluckiest superstar ever or maybe just maybe some posters always have some sort of built up excuse for him.
     
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    CP3 was healthy but we had no luc or ariza
     
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  20. Asian Sensation

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    You seriously talking about Luc right now? You don’t hear LeBron complaining about no Rondo and Bradley.
     
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