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2020 Trade Deadline

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Snake Diggit, Aug 6, 2020.

  1. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

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    What moves if any do we expect the Astros to make?

    It’s hard to separate buyers from sellers, but for now it looks like the Royals and Rangers are 2 teams who are in a non-contending phase and are pretty far back in their division in the early going.

    As I am prone to do, here is an early hypothetical “blockbuster”:

    Astros get:
    OF Jorge Soler
    SP Danny Duffy
    RP Greg Holland

    Royals get:
    OF Josh Reddick
    3B Abraham Toro
    RHP Tyler Ivey
    RHP Jose Alberto Rivera

    Reddick clears a lineup spot for Soler and offsets some of the money. Royals get a potential everyday position player in Toro and 2 high ceiling pitchers. Astros get a stopgap answer for LF next year in Soler, a pitcher to replace Verlander if he needs TJ and is out next year, and a relief rental with playoff experience.

    None of the players coming from the Royals have much surplus value; Duffy is on a healthy extension, Soler has one year of arbitration left, and Holland is a rental reliever. So even that prospect package I listed might be heavy.
     
  2. Snake Diggit

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    Other Astros hypotheticals with teams I expect to be sellers:

    Astros get:
    SP Alex Cobb
    $6M

    Orioles get:
    RHP Brett Conine
    LHP Jairo Lopez

    Astros get:
    1B Todd Frazier

    Rangers get:
    RHP Peter Solomon

    Astros get:
    RP Derek Holland

    Pirates get:
    LHP Parker Mushinski

    Astros get:
    OF David Peralta
    SP Robbie Ray
    RP Archie Bradley

    Diamondbacks get:
    RHP Bryan Abreu
    RHP Hunter Brown
    SS Jeremy Pena
    SS Freudis Nova
     
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    The Arizona Express/Hooks!
     
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  4. SKYGODZ187

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    2 I would love to see.
    1.
    Abraham Toro
    Jeremy Pena
    Bryan Abreu
    And
    Josh Reddick
    For
    Alex Cobb
    And
    Ryan Mountcastle


    2.
    Forrest Whitley
    Jairo Solis
    Taylor Jones
    And
    Chas McCormick

    For
    Nick Sanzel
    Nick Lodolo
    Ryan Hendrix
    And
    Joe Boyle
     
  5. Snake Diggit

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    Cobb has very little surplus value and Mountcastle is only a marginally better prospect than Toro, so throwing in Pena and Abreu seems a little much. And there is almost no way Cincy trades Lodolo and Senzel at all, much less for Whitley and Solis. Jones and McCormick have very little trade value.

    Maybe a 3 way trade?:

    Astros get:
    OF Nick Senzel
    1B Ryan Mountcastle
    SP Alex Cobb

    Orioles get:
    OF Josh Reddick
    RHP Bryan Abreu
    RHP Jairo Solis

    Reds get:
    RHP Forrest Whitley
    IF Abraham Toro
    SS Jeremy Pena
    RHP Jose Alberto Rivera
     
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  6. No Worries

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    Should the Astros even make a big trade if Verlander does not come back this season?
     
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    I tend to say no. I don't see the point of doing that if he's gone for the year.
     
  8. SKYGODZ187

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    Houston would be in good shape with the future.
    Mountcastle could start wright away. And senzel to CF with Springer to RF
     
  9. Snake Diggit

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    I definitely think Houston should avoid making any major moves just for 2020, regardless of Verlanders status. But if they can make a big move that helps both 2020 and 2021, Im all for it, assuming the cost isn’t too high.
     
  10. SKYGODZ187

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    I think Houston should try and make some offset money moves.
    The above three way or something else doesn't matter. But if we could get a sanzel mountcastle and Cobb and only give up at best Whitley as the high-end. I would be down.
    Everyone else can go.
    You get Mountcastle that makes it easier for Yulis cash to be saved. You get Sanzel if by chance Springer leaves we still have Tucker and Senzel. Hopes would be resign Brantley
     
  11. SKYGODZ187

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    I believe Mountcastle will be the real deal. And Sanzel aswell
     
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    Update with a week passed:

    List of sellers probably expanding; my guess is Red Sox, Blue Jays, Royals, Mariners, Pirates, and Giants are pretty firm sellers. Rangers and Orioles both surged a little in the last week so they may stand pat or have higher prices. Diamondbacks are trending toward seller status.

    New Astros hypotheticals:

    Astros get:
    UT Travis Shaw
    SP Matt Shoemaker

    Blue Jays get:
    OF Josh Reddick
    SP Luis Garcia
    IF Nick Tanielu

    Astros get:
    C Christian Vasquez
    1B Mitch Moreland
    SP Nathan Eovaldi
    SP Martin Perez
    RP Brandon Workman

    Red Sox get:
    RHP Brandon Bielak
    IF Abraham Toro
    C Dustin Garneau

    Astros get:
    OF Jorge Soler
    C Salvador Perez
    IF Maikel Franco
    SP Danny Duffy
    RP Trevor Rosenthal
    RP Greg Holland

    Royals get:
    IF Abraham Toro
    RHP Jairo Solis
    RHP Tyler Ivey
    RHP Enoli Paredes
    RHP Jojanse Torres
    C Dustin Garneau

    Astros get:
    SP Taijuan Walker

    Mariners get:
    RHP Enoli Paredes
    RHP Shawn Dubin
    RHP Jojanse Torres

    Astros get:
    SP Derek Holland
    RP Richard Rodriguez

    Pirates get:
    RHP Carlos Sanabria
    RHP Humberto Castellanos

    Astros get:
    OF Alex Dickerson
    1B Brandon Belt
    SP Kevin Gausman
    SP Johnny Cueto
    $5M

    Giants get:
    OF Myles Straw
    SP Brandon Bielak
     
  15. Mr.Pringles

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    If they make any deal it’s for a rental closer
     
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    What I would like to see is trading guys who wont be here next year anyway because we dont intend to resign them traded for players that can help us next year and beyond. If that guy is Brantley, so be it. Ditto for Springer. But you know what, it wont happen because public image and perception in the present are more important to the brass than improving the future of the team.

    IMO, we shouldnt try keeping guys we cant retain in a tainted season, one which IMO we wont prosper in (go far in the playoffs anyway). If, everyone were healthy playoff time, my opinion would be different. But I dont see that happening. We have been one of the least healthy teams, to this point, in all of baseball. To expect that all to change just in time for a deep playoff run is unlikely and unrealistic. This year is cursed. Lets just do what we can for future seasons that do count and do matter and dont suffer from the stench that is the 2020 baseball season.
     
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    I am fine with them not making any moves and just letting things play out. But depending on how the market shakes out it would be great if they could acquire a good bat with remaining control to replace one of the 3 core bats who will reach free agency after this season. I’m sure the pitching market will be expensive but the Astros could certainly use some veteran relief help both this season and beyond.
     
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    Not that blockbusters are ever likely, but the Royals seem to be a match for a potential huge deal that would shore up Houston’s roster in the out years and help KC rebuild. Imagine a 2021 lineup with 4 Royals added to replace the parting free agents and upgrading catcher:

    CF Merrifield
    3B Bregman
    2B Altuve
    DH Alvarez
    SS Correa
    LF Soler
    C Perez
    1B Franco
    RF Tucker

    Maybe something to pursue next offseason. Merrifield is the only one of those guys who would be expensive.
     
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    This. Ultimately, windows don't last forever, and neither do players' careers. We have the 4th highest payroll in MLB, and the 2nd weakest farm system. If we can get a good return on a Springer/Brantley/Gurriel, I would personally do it.

    Note: As much as I love trade deadlines and playing armchair GM, though, I want to wait another 2 weeks, and then see how things stand there. A lot can change, whether its our record, other teams' records, injuries, etc.
     
  20. RayRay10

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    If we can grab a young starter that's still under a few years control, go for it.

    Maybe some bullpen help...doesn't even have to be a closer, but it would be nice to find one. There are a few available if we want them.
     
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