We've given away all of our picks for the distant future and our stars aren't getting younger. D’Antoni players pump stats and get bigger salaries that our owner won't pay for (PJ, Mack, House, etc) will be offered above their value. Dallas just got the next Lebron. Our star's style of play doesn't translate to playoff success unless we pair him up with injury prone point guards. Harden for an upper middle class All-Star (Butler, derozan, Tatum) and a bunch of first round picks sets us up for the future, since our GM will use those picks wisely. Draft a kyrie or lillard type rookie and bring in a second all star and jump-start the rebuild. This is our last chance before having a decade of suffering for the benefit of teams holding our picks.
lol at Tatum. We'd have to trade Harden and 2 more 1st rounders for him. They'd probably still say no
Hate to break it to you... But the suffering is going to last a lot longer than a decade with the Tilman family in charge. I shudder to think of the amount of threads that will pop up from people saying they should've cherised Morey when he was here, when we get pretty boy Tilman Jr as the GM.
How many rings has this “cherished” Morey brought to H-Town??? Won’t miss him one bit, as the blame falls squarely on his shoulders for our annual lack of success in the playoffs. Nobody is judged historically on regular season success. NOBODY. It’s all about the postseason in the NBA and he has failed to provide us the right mix of coaches and players. We always have no shortage of excuses. Going on 27 years in a row of no Finals appearances from a proud franchise. Any change is better than groundhog day over and over and over.
this thread is quite delusional “draft a Kyrie or Lillard type”...fans always make it sound so easy...if it was, every GM would be doing it a rebuild could easily be a decade or more of suffering...some people just don’t get it they will fire MDA and bring in a new coach before they think of trading Harden...people need to get real this franchise is back to being irrelevant, and will make no money during a rebuild...I’m sure that’s music to Tilman’s ears majority of people talking about a rebuild will magically disappear from here once the Rockets are irrelevant garbage
oh, and another thing Ainge didn’t want to give up Tatum for the numerous stars that have been on the block the past few years, and that was before Tatum blew up this season Harden for Butler or Derozan is a huge joke. Really? Imagine trading a MVP for a Demar Derozan and mediocre picks. Lmao whatever team Harden is traded to is a playoff team, and in Miami’s case, near the top of the East...Harden with Pop will definitely be making noise in the West as well...so let’s jumpstart a rebuild with Butler or Demar Derozan, and the 26th pick in the draft...sounds great
1. nobody offered him an MVP for Tatum 2. We would be receiving 3 first round picks for an MVP based on prior trades. Morey will turn at least one of them into kyrie/lillard type player. 3. I understand that harden is a great player, but his game doesn't translate to the playoffs. An enormous part of his game is drawing fouls and when that is taken away from him, he loses his power. If the goal is to win it all, your money can't be tied up in a guy that by default cannot use his strength in the playoffs. 4. Essentially, Harden is fools gold. This is literally our last chance to set ourselves up for at least a chance of winning a ring sometime in the next decade, rather than being bored out of our minds watching our team win picks for other teams that hold our picks.
Tatum wasn’t a star, and he wouldn’t give him up...Tatum is now a young star under control for years to come, and Ainge who is always looking to fleece will just give him up along with multiple picks for Harden? No. Name the trade where somebody gave up a young player on Tatum’s level and 3 picks. I’m sorry, but Morey turning some pick in the 20’s, because that’s what it will be with Harden on the other team, into a Lillard or Kyrie is delusional and not based on anything. averaging 32, 7, and 9 so far against OKC, but his game doesn’t translate...averaged 35 on elite efficiency against GS last year, but his game doesn’t transfer...no, what actually doesn’t transfer is this shooting 50+ threes with a bunch of bricklayers philosophy, because the shooting is not dependable and too inconsistent...u fire the coach and change the philosophy before u ever think of trading Harden and becoming an irrelevant joke what’s actually fools gold is getting Lillard or Kyrie with the 25th pick or thinking that the draft which is nothing more than a crapshoot, hope, and a prayer is some answer U do realize the Rockets won just 1 playoff series in almost 20 years before Harden right? Derozan and several 25th overall picks will definitely set us up for title contention 10 years from now.
What do you think the Knicks fans would give for regularly making the playoffs? Success is relative my friend. When the Tilman clan are running every part of this franchise, we’ll be as bad as the Knicks.
That’s a fair statement you make. Me personally, I have the MJ - Kobe attitude of Finals or nothing. I do understand just being happy with being competitive, but personally I’d rather risk being the Knicks, if the potential upside is a change from never making the Finals. Worst case, at least I could enjoy watching the NBA Draft again and we could always get lucky in the lottery. Morey sold our future by giving away all our first round picks for other teams to take his garbage pickups.
The sad part is the Rockets already had two or three chances to win a championship in the last few years. Going to really hurt if Harden and Westbrook don't win a championship for the Rockets. It only takes one championship to make it all worth it.
You blame Morey for mortgaging the future, when this trade was all Tilman. And a little bit of Harden. You and I can see how horrible the draft pick situation is. Why can’t our new owner?
I said when the deal was made we had this season and next before Harden asked out, but with him and Westbrook on those supermax deals we would be limited in terms of teams willing to trade for them.
Which team embodies the “Finals or Nothing” spirit over the last decade? The Sixers. They intentionally were terrible for years to stock up on top draft choices. It “worked” but it also demonstrated why this method is not as great as it’s cracked up to be. With all those top picks, they’ve ended up with only two true stars, and they are flawed, mismatched, and injury prone at that. The draft is a total crapshoot and luck is as big a factor as anything. Acquiring a superstar like Harden was Morey’s lottery win, and we better hold on to him as tightly as we can, because once he’s gone, there may be a long drought to come. Even if we get some high picks and stars, it’s hardly certain they will achieve anything close to our recent successes. Remember the Yao-Francis-McGrady decade? That’s a much more likely outcome than some Kobe-Jordan dynasty miraculously forming.
