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ICE Murder Or Self Defense?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Jan 8, 2026.

  1. adoo

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    A Mexican immigrant was on his way to finish construction on several Houston homes with a crew of workers Tuesday morning when he was shot and killed by an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent, his family said.

    Lorenzo Salgado Araujo, 52, was driving in Houston’s East End area when ICE agents tried to conduct a traffic stop as part of a “targeted operation” and he attempted to evade arrest, an ICE spokesperson said in a statement to CNN.

    “He should have been picking up the last of his guys before heading to North Houston to finish up construction on some houses,” Salgado Araujo’s son Ronaldo Salgado said at a Wednesday news conference.

    “Unbeknownst to all of us, my dad had been shot inside his van … by ICE agents in unmarked cars,” he added.
     
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  2. B-Bob

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    Whew. Thank God that ICE executed this guy in our home town, keeping him permanently off the streets. No criminal record, a father, 35 years of hard work and paying taxes ... but ... that skin tone, amiright, Mr. Miller and co? Seems totally reasonable that he would suddenly "weaponize" his vehicle and single-handedly take on a bunch of military cosplay bros, right?

    https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/09/us/lorenzo-salgado-araujo-houston-ice-shooting
     
  3. Reeko

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    How Latinos could’ve voted to be treated like this is beyond me.

    crazy
     
  4. Rocket River

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    [​IMG], ICE Spokesperson

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  5. Amiga

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    ICE lies like you breathe.

    They are ramping up again. But now they have learned to stay on the more quiet side, but still, incidents like this will happen. All so that they can remove your neighbors, instead of focusing on criminals.
     
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    Yep. All so that they can terrorize brown people, either convincing them to leave the country or just stay as quiet and subservient as possible. So damn obvious to anyone being honest with themselves about this ICE bullshit.
     
  7. Rocket River

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    Here is the thing
    They only terrorize the Hardworking, law biding brown people
    They not about to run up on El Choppo
    They not going to bother anyone that might ACTUALLY UNLOAD ON THEM
    Because
    They are cowards and bullies

    Rocket River
     
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  8. JuanValdez

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    Thanks for posting. I was going to start a thread if I didn't find one today.

    First thought is that we don't have enough information. ICE has no credibility left to claim imminent threat. We don't have any evidence he was not a threat and we will be blocked from getting any. But I will not be satisfied unless ICE can prove to the public that he was a threat.

    Second, Whitmire is a ****ing *****. I was tempted to bump my Whitmire thread just to berate him some more. I have never been more dissatisfied with a mayor in my life. Preemptively bends over at every opportunity. Sure, it is a federal matter. Minnesota managed to try investigating anyway when their people were murdered. And Whitmire won't have the support of the state, sure. But it is better to try and get slapped down than to just ****ing lay down yourself. He is a Quisling.

    Third thought. There were 3 other people in the car who will probably be deported. The public needs to hear their accounts.

    Fourth, in existing videos, it looks like the van is taking some evasive action, doing a three point turn to turn around. DOn't really blame him when he is pursued by unmarked vehicles. An ICE vehicle aggressively follows. It looks like the hallmarks of ICE using vehicular maneuvering to box in a suspect and force them to stop, which has been reported in other locales where ICE has claimed their vehicles were rammed when really it is them playing dangerous car chase games. There appears to be damage all along the driver side flank of the van, like it was involved in a side-swipe, but not a ramming. It is a knock on ICE's credibility when they say their vehicle was rammed and not even show the body damage that would suggest a ramming took place. The credibility of the claim Araujo also tried to run over an officer then is also impacted.

    Operating on very little information, my guess would be that ICE decided to arrest this van full of workers (either knew Araujo's status or racially profiled them) and pursued in unmarked vehicles. Araujo became afraid and didn't want to pull over but was boxed in with aggressive maneuvering. The agents aren't necessarily planning to kill but are now annoyed and on alert because Araujo's reaction was not compliant. As an agent comes out, Araujo does something to spook him and he fires through the door. The attempt to run over seems unlikely because they had stopped and boxed in the van already and the agent would have approached from the side. He could not have fired from the front of the vehicle (and he would be a damn fool to be standing there in the first place) because Araujo was hit in the abdomen and not the face or chest. The engine block would have blocked a low shot and the windshield doesn't look damaged either. But then ICE needs to offer some justification for deadly force.
     
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    All true

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    No Credibility what so ever
     
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    Atp, who did the family members vote for?
     
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    A lot of Hispanics are economically and socially conservative. I've stated to you that I think Trump is more racist towards Hispanics than Blacks, that was before Trump started purging Black leaders from the military. I do agree somewhat on Hispanic support of Trump but the conservative Hispanics are very true to their values.

    A lot of conservatives Hispanics are very anti illegal immigration so it's not surprising but I do agree that Trump is very racist in his rhetoric towards Hispanic immigrants.

    That being said Hispanics aren't like Blacks, we are married to the Democratic party for obvious reasons and Hispanics don't have a history like us.

    As far as ICE is concerned they weren't killing Hispanics in Minnesota they were killing protesters

    @Salvy

    You're a conservative Hispanic, what do you think of Trump's rhetoric towards illegal immigrants in general?
     
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    Do you think this is the 1st Hispanic killed by ICE or something? There have been several Lorenzo Salgado Araujo’s killed by ICE out on the street during this Trump regime, and many more have died after being taken into custody dying in their ICE detention cage after being beaten, denied meds, etc. They just didn’t get the attention of an Alex Pretti or Renee Good for obvious reasons.

    one Hispanic lady had her 23 y/o son killed by ICE last year and was still simping for Trump, and the son was an American citizen

    and aside from the ones who have been killed, there have been much more that were brutally assaulted but didn’t die…I just saw a video yesterday of a handcuffed Hispanic getting his head smashed against the concrete by an ICE agent resulting in a fractured skull…the ICE agent then threatened to tase the onlooker who was filming

    if Trump successfully got rid of birthright citizenship then rounded up all the anchor babies like he wants to, what a wake up call that would be
     
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    You forgot @Salvy is a birthright citizenship baby after his mom brought here illegally as she crossed the border lol. They're all frauds and nothing more.
     
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    Houston Public Media:

    The immigration enforcement officers involved in an operation that resulted in the shooting death of a man in Houston were not wearing body cameras at the time, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security confirmed Thursday. And the father of three who died was not the agents' intended target, according to the office of U.S. Rep. Sylvia Garcia.


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    The family of Lorenzo Salgado Araujo, the 52-year-old Houston man who was fatally shotby a federal immigration officer Tuesday morning, said Thursday they have faced several hurdles trying to claim his body, which still had not been released to them.

    At a news conference Thursday afternoon, Juan Proaño, the CEO of the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), said the agents had taken away all of Salgado Araujo's personal identifications.

    "There was nothing to identify him when he arrived at the hospital and as a result the hospital took him in as a John Doe," Proaño said. "In doing so, it set off a bunch of triggers, a bunch of extra hurdles that the family has had to effectively navigate through."
     
  17. Rocket River

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    Dude - don't even mention the rash of pregnancies in those detention centers
    ICE Agents getting it in . . . by hook or by crook
    I don't want to hear crap about these women throwing themselves at the guards
    because that is bullsh*t. [they are not in a position to consent imo]

    Rocket River
     
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  18. Reeko

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    yup…heard about that too as well as human trafficking

    Hispanics voted for nationwide stop and frisks to check for ID and papers…there will be more deaths and beatings

    ICE will just roll up on a Hispanic in unmarked cars and masks looking like a damn kidnapping operation
     
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    Time to call the Hammer

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  20. Salvy

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    So much hatred towards me because I don't side with you politically and because I'm not a r****d protesting ICE just because of my latin background. My parents were already residents when they had me....
     
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