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Executive of the Year: Rafael Stone?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocket River, Apr 15, 2025.

  1. Easy

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    I've been advocating using 3-year, rather than 1-year, records to determine draft order. That would prevent a lot of the tanking evil.
     
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    Oh yea? And which critical thinking way would suggest the owner doesn't set the direction of his own team? Or that your lack of evidence would qualify more as a substitute for multiple Houston sports writers' unsubstantiated opinion. Which critical thinking way is that one?
     
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    nope please re read all my posts on this. I have been very clear on this. Also there’s difference between critical thinking and assumption. Many love to do the latter
     
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    Nope, I already read your posts and you have zero evidence for your argument. It's just silly to try argue that the OWNER of the team doesn't set the direction of their team which isn't an assumption. But whatever, enjoy being wrong.
     
  5. backwardhead

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    Stone has to get the look this year. If it comes time for voting and the Rockets are in the top 3 in the West and KD is doing KD things then Stone needs to get serious consideration for this award. Especially if Reed is a legit back up and not pooping on himself when given the opportunity. That's where I might be like "oh ok, you said you were good with your boy Reed...and he poops himself." As long as Reed doesn't poop himself and the Rockets are living up to the potential then hell yea he should get consideration.

    And I was a big Morey fan, but I kinda like Stone's low key vibe. Players treated like people and team friendly deals. Yessir. I like it.
     
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    Funny how people like you get riled up then disrespect another person simply because they have a different view. You likely didn’t read what I wrote or have no understanding so no use in explaining it to you. Do you understand what analysis is? I already gave examples and quotes leading to my assessment. You also seem to not understand journalism and what sources or citations are. So go ahead get riled up over nothing.
     
  7. roslolian

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    You still havent answered the question how Morey did in Philly
     
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    Moreybwas able to get Harden and immediately made the oldest team in the league. Stone built the foundation for a decade plus contender.

    Why should they be on the same timeline? So no credit for Stone getting the same result with a much younger team?

    Also Morey reached the WCF just twice in the entire Harden and none in the YaoMac era right? Pretty confident we will get there more in the Sengun/Amen era.
     
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    While this is true, his mismanagement of Philly exposed him to be extremely overrated IMO. Everyone wants to credit Eli Wheatus for everything Morey why shouldnt same accusation be for Morey?

    Morey has done a horrible job in Sixers with a literal MVP couldnt get out of 2nd round in the Leastern conference. Now they have one of the worst futures with Embiid and PG signed for multiple years on maxes.
     
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    He’s never wrong.
     
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    I was wondering why you are blaming Morey for Yao-Mac not having playoff success, but then I saw your join date and realize you probably just don't know Rockets basketball before 2008 and therefore don't know people like Carroll Dawson and Rudy T. So I'll just chalk that up to ignorance.

    But I assume you did actually watch the Rockets during the Harden era, so it's weird you are saying that team is old. By minutes played the WCFs team was Harden 25, Ariza 29, DMo 24, PatBev 26, Terry 36, Brewer 28, Josh Smith and Dwight 29, and TJones 23. Next year's Rockets will be Sengun 23, Adams 32, Capela 32, KD 37, Jabari 22, Tari 24, Amen 23, FVV 31, DFS 32, Reed or Holiday at backup PG which is either 21 or 29. I'm not sure if it's your elmentary school math that's lacking or you are just hating for the purpose of being a hater. But you need the charisma of a cult leader to actually get people to buy pure fiction you know.
     
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    I think front offices don't feel shame about tanking. Any system is going to have problems. Unless there is a penalty for losing like relegation, I see tanking as here to stay. It is just a choice of the shape of tanking. I think keeping the worst team from being guaranteed the top pick is the primary benefit of the lottery. Going to three seasons would benefit tanking for a long time, but cut down on the injured teams/underperforming teams from tanking.

    Maybe the three years would be better, but I'd be kind of sick that the Spurs are currently 4th in losses over the past 3 seasons. They would still be getting great picks if Wemby becomes what a lot of people think he will become.
     
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    A huge part of that failure is Embiid himself - his health. In the 11 years since he was drafted, he's played a total of 452 out of a possible 902 games.

    Yeah, Morey has had a rough time of it in Philly but its hard to win when your star isn't on the floor.

    That team needs a total reset, building around Embiid was the fatal flaw.
     
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    Basically this. Maxey, Edgecomb, and McCain look to be a good backcourt, though a little small. I think if it was just Embiid, they would be okay. I think the Paul George deal, which I thought would be okay for a couple of years, looks like an albatross already. At this point, the Sixers just need to accept Embiid and George will be who they are, and plan for the time they will be gone. Whatever Philly does, don't be like the Bucks and Suns.
     
  15. Easy

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    The main benefit of using longer period records is preventing injury tanking which sometimes give good teams top picks. It also forces tanking team to suffer longer in order to get good picks. And it makes it harder to predict which potentially generational talents will be available when you get to have high picks. That would deter some teams from throwing just one season to get a guy like Wemby or Flagg.

    Getting rid of the lottery would stop all the conspiracy theories too.

    Relegation is the ultimate deterrence of tanking. But the NBA will never do it. Changing draft format is much more doable.
     
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    Embid was a big part of that, but signing PG to that atrocious contract was one of the dumbest moves any GM has ever made.
     
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    It comes down to what do you want to prevent. The 3-year thing would slow down the injured teams from tanking a lot, but it would incentivize long-term tanking plans.
     
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    The choice to not honor whatever promise he made to Harden also proved to be a terrible move - both because he effectively replaced that salary with a worse contract in PG, and because he ruined his reputation around the league with players. It's very much a small circle where reputation matters.

    Not that they were winning a title with Harden, either. But the situation is worse through self-inflicted injuries on Morey's part.
     
  19. Dobbizzle

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    Like I and many have said, it's fact. You can't just discount it with "pics or it didn't happen." Hell, you can't even find the websites me and my friends made less than a decade ago online now because they're gone. It's not an immortal record of everything that ever happened. It's actually quite concerning that you can only believe in things you've been shown verified proof of. That's how flat earthers exist, you know? o_O
     
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