Maybe I missed where that’s the point you were trying to make but what it sounded like by the post I quoted was that you said “by every metric he has already surpassed Yao” I took it as you claiming that Sengun this last season is already better than anything Yao ever did metric wise. Which isn’t accurate. I then even went on to say in my post what you are saying now. That yes he looks well on his way to surpassing Yao, he just hasn’t done it “by every metric “ yet.
Circumstances are meaningless. Yao was a better player & only someone who doesn't watch basketball would think otherwise
Lol, I dunno what games you are watching. Sengun is much more impactful. He can actually play pick and roll defense. He doesn't struggle when he's fronted. And way more important he can actually stay on the court. I could argue the Rockets were no better or worse with Yao Ming. He gets hurt in like game 9 and we still won 22 straight. He gets hurt in LA. And we still take Lakers to 7. Dude had soo many weaknesses to his game and if he played today he'd be run off the court. can you imagine Yao trying to guard Steph at the 3 point line. We already know he wouldn't be able to score on Draymond. Cuz he'd just get fronted. Dude got torched by boozer and Williams. Imagine what Steph would do.
I always wondered what if Yao had gotten a coach like Adelman that leaned into the new man's game instead of JVG. Yao would have stayed lean and perhaps lengthened his career without having to always bang on the post.
Dude. Yao was outplaying Shaq at one point. You are one delusional man. Yao was not only a force down low but had a turn around midrange, a middy jump shot & variety of other ways to score. Sengun's has nothing midrange. Yao was a rim protector Sengun's not. Sengun would NEVER outplay prime Shaq. You are NUTS
different time,different defences,referees and players.None of today's players could compete with the defenses of 30 years ago.
What a ignorant message. Sengun is this teams real , central playmaker, brain. Anything to add? And you talkin about operational things. There is no player under 25 in NBA right that has as much as gravity as a center like Sengun. Yes there are better defenders, yes there are better lob threats etc. But Sengun is Houston.. Most double teamed player in NBA after worlds greatest player Jokic in second place and many more things. It was Sengun's gravity in play offs if this team carried to 7 games against Golden State. Most points, most rebounds, most asists in his first play off experience. What are you and other imbeciles talkin about?
I don't see the point in arguing about Sengun vs Yao honestly. They're not really the same type of player, and Yao is f*cking retired. Interesting about the first playoff series stats comparison between the two of them though. If we want to talk about past players, Pau Gasol is a player I think about a lot just in terms of, "can Alpi have that kind of career". Of course if Pau played in today's game you'd want him to extend his range to the 3P line, so same is true for Sengun.
Nah this is bullshit, Sengun has never once become the main playmaker, that's Fred. He may have the potential but let's not pretend that "Senhub" ever materialised, he's not used that way. He's a play closer in Ime's offense not a playmaker. Way to expose yourself as somebody who doesn't actually watch us play though, at least we know you're full of ****.
You are bullshit, Rockets offense goes at least 70 by the plays of Sengun. He is the main guy, only imbeciles can not understand this... Most points, most rebounds, most asists in playoffs.. He is this teams offensive leader.. Fred can be guard, but it is Sengun's gravity that this zero shooter team played 7 games against Golden States. What.kind of Turkish or Alpi racism is this? I am telling a fact, speak with stats..
Giannis is more of a playmaker than Sengun, and he's not a playmaker either. Sengun does not have playmaker numbers, he has scorer numbers. Shut up with your bullshit race card, nobody said anything about race except you once you realised you'd been called on your absolute bullshit lies. Shut up already, nobody's buying your nonsense. You lost any and all credibility you had left (which was already next to nothing) the second YOU brought race into the argument as a last ditch, clutch-at-straws attempt to win something you've lost long ago.
Playing against old traditional centers like Shaq and Dwight was literally the only thing he was good at. Too bad no one has centers like that now days. Yao woulda been a better player in the 90s. But he would be obsolete in today's nba. He wouldn't be able to guard anyone on perimeter. When marbaury crossed him on the ground that would be on repeat every day. In order to score downlow you gotta be able to get the ball first. I still have nightmares of a 6'5 Najera absolutely shutting down Yao. He had soo many weaknesses. How do you not remember these things. They neutralized him in every way possible. Especially in playoffs. He went 7-7 in first half absolutely dominated the Blazers. Then Joel Pryzbilla fronted him and I don't even think he scored in second half. Once he got the ball he was automatic. Problem was that was too difficult a task, if he was so money like you say how come his career averages are 19 and 9. Didn't even average a double double. His max output was 25 a game. I'll be shocked if sengun isn't more than that this season. Literally most overrated player in nba history. I have no idea how he is in the basketball hall of fame other than the fact that he's the first Chinese player. And just so you know I am Chinese. Explain to me how Yao is guarding Steph? Traditional centers died cuz the 3 ball is king and they can't stay on the court defensively.
He was second most double teamed center in the nba at like 765 times. But sure everyones worried about FVV.
I like Alpi a lot. I am not here to argue against his talent. I’m not here to argue if he is or is not better than Yao. But Alpi’s usage rate was 26.1%. So, what is this 70 number you’re speaking of?
Apparently you don't watch either lol. Sengun's literally been a playmaker. Of course Fred starts everything off - he's the pg. It's Sengun who gets double teamed on a nightly basis and is able to score or find an open player. He doesn't get all the triple doubles without being a playmaker. In FVV's career, he's had 28 games with 10 or more assists. Sengun has 21 games so far with 10 or more assists - and he's not a pg. Which player is better is debatable. Yao was 22 when he entered the league. His huge size advantage and impact he had defensively because of his 7'6 frame is why he will always be considered the better player. However, Sengun definitely has the bigger bag. Even with Yao's size and better midrange shot, the most points he scored in an NBA game was 41 against the Atlanta Hawks in triple overtime. He was 23 years old. At 21 (and much smaller than Yao), Sengun was the youngest player in NBA history to score 45 points (to go along with 16 rebounds and 5 steals) against the Spurs. Yao has scored 40 or more twice his whole career. Sengun has two 40 points games so far while standing under 7 feet tall and without a consistent middy. He's created new ways to score every season. You can give the ball to Sengun from anywhere on the court and he can make something happen. You couldn't do that with Yao. He was a playmaker as well but he mostly stayed down low and often struggled when players fronted him. You can't defend Sengun the way they did Yao because you can give Sengun the ball at the top of the key or anywhere behind the arc - and he'll make his way to the goal or dish it to an open teammate. Opposing coaches prepare their teams for Sengun, not Fred. If Yao had Sengun's height, I don't see him having the same impact on offense and defense. He was a generational player though and I don't think the two should be compared. If you're going to debate, you can't decide based off what Yao could have been if he never got injured. Regarding who's better, durability matters. Yao - bigger, more impactful on both ends w/ a better shot. Having Yao made it easier for all of the players around him. He made old players like David Wesley and Jon Barry more productive. Sengun - Just as good of a passer (or arguably better), better dribbler, quicker, faster, better playmaker and more reliable. He's also still developing. If Silas recognized his talent from the jump, he'd be much better than he already is. If this were NBA 2K, both were 23 years old and I could opt for a shorter season, I'd choose Yao over Sengun. But if I want one of the two in real life for a 82 game season and finals appearance, I'm going with Sengun. When he does develop a consistent midrange he will arguably be the better player. Especially since he won't have to exhaust as much energy on offense - which will help him on the defensive end as well.
Here's another fun fact: Sengun just turned 23 and has 8 career triple doubles. FVV has 2. Yao Ming had 0.
Sengun would do better guarding Shaq than Yao would have guarding Curry. Plus he can pull Shaq out on perimeter and change the game.
