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Hurricanes, Floods, Wildfires, and Tornado Season Without FEMA

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by deb4rockets, Mar 18, 2025.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    No, the earth has been much warmer in the past. 20 degrees warmer, on average, over numerous periods.

    Facts matter. Science matters.


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  2. rimrocker

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    I know people who know Pagurek. His rep is a no-nonsense guy who gets things done. He's dedicated to his work and folks say he does it with integrity. Not a suck-up or a constant practitioner of office politics, but a good team lead and organizer. If we didn't already have a huge amount of evidence that emergency management has been broken, this should be as big a deal outside the disaster community as it is inside.

    And really, that DHS "spokesperson" is a joke. The whole purpose is to deploy quickly to try and save lives. I'm OK if a few bucks are spent as efficiently as possible. Again, one of the problems of putting within-borders disasters in a department focused on outside the borders.
     
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  3. Rocket River

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    SMH

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  4. Amiga

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    Right, we are largely on our own. Or rather, the States are on their own.

    I’m sure you know all of this...

    We’ve been here before. It was the States that pushed the Federal government to centralize emergency management for a reason. Some crises simply can’t be handled locally. Extreme events demand specialized expertise and resources that most state and local teams will never have in adequate supply. These events can strike anywhere, but only sporadically, making it wasteful, and frankly impossible, for every state to maintain full-scale capabilities. Pooling resources at the federal level isn’t just practical; it’s the only efficient and cost-effective way to prepare for the worst.

    FEMA, of course, has plenty of issues to fix. But deliberately gutting it and shoving emergency management back to the broken model of the past will only leave everyone worse off, especially as disasters become more frequent in a hotter world.

    We should push for smarter government- not dumber, ineffective, and inefficient government.
     
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  5. rimrocker

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    Just play the what if game here (even though it does not matter to MAGA):

    What if any other president sat on resources for three days that could have saved the lives of little girls and then justified it by saying we need to be careful with 2-3 hundred thousand bucks in a department with a budget of well over $100 billion. That's also putting a price on the lives of the people who died. At best, it looks like this:

    $300,000 to $107,500,000,000 That's 1/383,000 of the DHS budget and the contract had already been vetted, used before, and set up for rapid deployment. There (was) is even a guy within DHS/FEMA with the sole job of coordinating all of it. And yet 72 hours passed. If you make $100,000 a year, the equivalent of the Search and Rescue operational costs for the Texas deployment would be 27 cents.
     
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  6. Jugdish

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    If people 100 million years ago could get through it, we certainly can.
     
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  7. Amiga

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    Nice troll job. Facts do matter.

    Yes, Earth was warmer long ago, but humans didn’t exist then. Civilization grew in a stable climate, and today’s rapid warming is the real threat. In the last few million years, while humans and our ecosystems evolved, global temperatures only swung a few degrees, and even that triggered ice ages, expanding deserts, and major sea-level rise. What is happening now, this speed and scale of warming, has never been seen in all of human history.

    Science and honesty matter.
     
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  8. Amiga

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    Exactly.

    This is simply indefensible. Search and rescue is one of the clearest and least controversial uses of emergency funds. The contract was vetted, the infrastructure already in place, and DHS/FEMA has people whose job is to make sure it deploys fast. Waiting 72 hours over what amounts to pocket change in the DHS budget is not fiscal responsibility. It is putting a price tag on human lives. If any other president had done this, the outrage would be universal.
     
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    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    When your Democrat party consists of 20 large cities plus Aspen and Nantucket, then yes, you are concerned about 1 degree of temperature rise. The powder in Aspen could be sub-standard or the beach in Nantucket could be a touch warm!

    The rest of the country would prefer lower cost energy and affordability of life.


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  10. deb4rockets

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    A Trump Executive Order Prompts Park Workers to Report Displays That ‘Disparage’ Americans - The New York Times

    At Cape Hatteras National Seashore in North Carolina, the Trump administration is set to review, and possibly remove or alter, signs about how climate change is causing sea levels to rise.

    At Independence National Historical Park in Philadelphia, the administration will soon decide whether to take down exhibits on the brutality of slavery.

    And at Castillo de San Marcos National Monument in Florida, Trump officials are scrutinizing language about the imprisonment of Native Americans inside the Spanish stone fortress.

    ......and on and on it goes.

    Keep the people from the truth. Keep them uninformed of different viewpoints and perspectives, and fire or retaliate against those who don't do as you say. Make your word the only word. This is only the beginning of worse to come in erasing history, ignoring science, and the rise of the wannabe Dictator/Authoritarian.

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  11. Amiga

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    Enjoy the talking points. Nice pivot to politics, but it does not change the facts. The climate does not care about parties, and we are already about 1.5C warmer than pre-industrial levels. That “one degree” you mock is driving record heat, floods, and crop losses worldwide. Facts remain facts.

    Good day.
     
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    Facts are woke. Unscientific reporting, quotes from red hatters, and echoing what Trump believes is the only way to move forward if you are a real patriot. :p
     
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  13. rimrocker

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    LOL. This may be the stupidest post I've seen on here. It's definitely in the top tier. Good job, intentional or not.

    One thing you need for affordability of life is predictability. If conditions are changing faster than we can, it creates a tremendous burden on our economics and society. I guess you don't care about farmers or fishermen or roofers or utility workers or really anyone. Do you really think peaches come from a can? A future where you enjoy going from air-conditioned car to air-conditioned house to air-conditioned work while eating gruel and not being able to get insurance on your home is not a future most of us would choose, no matter how nice the car is.

    Fact is, 42% of the costs of disasters in this country go through the 5 states bordering the Gulf of Mexico: Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida. Texas leads the way, Ask yourself why that is.
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    Billion dollar disasters are on the rise (which is why this administration no longer tracks such data). Ask yourself why?
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    What is it about today that creates less time between large disasters? Why are some places getting hit so frequently they cannot recover from the previous disaster?
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    A few hundred billion here, a few hundred billion there and pretty soon you're talking about real money. By the way, this chart does not take into account all the costs of recovery or whether recovery is ever complete. As we know, disasters are more than economic exercises. They go to quality of life as well.
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    It's a good thing we fired a bunch of scientists who were trying to help us understand and prepare while shutting down the data gathering network that allows us to see what's happening. After all, low cost energy and quality of life are based on ignorance and blind allegiance to an ideology. Reality has nothing to do with it. Just smile and be happy you have that blue tarp over your head as you listen to talk radio on your hand-crank.
     
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