1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Shams: Jimmy Butler open to being traded to Rockets Mavericks or Warriors

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaBeard, Dec 10, 2024.

  1. jch1911

    jch1911 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    5,944
    Likes Received:
    7,413
    Not sure who posted it, but it was something about the lack of shots at the rim that the Suns get. It is really hurting their team - esp. with a roster full of players who would normally get those calls at the rim. (Could be players trying to avoid injury :shrug emoji: )
     
    DVauthrin and TimDuncanDonaut like this.
  2. DVauthrin

    DVauthrin Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 1999
    Messages:
    9,640
    Likes Received:
    7,981
    The Suns do not have a good rim rolling center. Neither Nurkic or Plumlee are that guy. Also, Booker, Durant, Beal and Tyus Jones are good jump shooters that do most of their work either behind the three point-line or in the mid range. In other words, the Suns are one of the least athletic teams in the NBA, which is a big reason they get so few points at the rim.
     
  3. TimDuncanDonaut

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    15,291
    Likes Received:
    36,507
    Booker and KD don't drive as much, they rather jump shoot. For Booker, that's been his MO for a long time now.

    Sun's losing has a lot to do with their terrible defense. If the offense is not hot enough, they are usually in trouble. That and injuries.
     
    jch1911 likes this.
  4. OremLK

    OremLK Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    Messages:
    20,087
    Likes Received:
    17,730
    Hence why Jimmy is pushing to get there. All about the money. I don't see how they get him there without giving up Booker though.
     
  5. jch1911

    jch1911 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    5,944
    Likes Received:
    7,413
    Prolly going to end up a 3 team trade

    PHX - MIA - DET

    PHX: Himmy (MIA) + protected 2026 MIA FRP (lottery protected; converts to 2 2nds if not conveyed in 2026)

    MIA: Booker (PHX) + 2031 PHX FRP (top 10 protected; converts to 2 2nds if not conveyed in 2031)

    DET: Burks (MIA) + 2031 SRP via MIA

    Why a FRP from MIA? b/c 28 vs 34

    I could also see NO picks from PHX to MIA.
     
  6. withmustard

    withmustard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2002
    Messages:
    3,297
    Likes Received:
    2,288
    [​IMG]
     
    theDude, Joe Joe, cbass and 2 others like this.
  7. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,873
    Likes Received:
    132,742
    Extensions for old ass KD and Butler ---- old and have heavy minutes on them.... are they going to pull Bob Cousey out of the old folks home on a 4 year deal to run the point? If I am Booker I am signing the longest contract extension with the Suns under the CBA so I can get paid before the owner throws a tantrum and complains that he cannot buy a title in the NBA like he hoped.
     
  8. DVauthrin

    DVauthrin Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 1999
    Messages:
    9,640
    Likes Received:
    7,981
    Unless Booker demands out, Phoenix isn’t giving up Booker for a 35-year-old Butler. Butler is going to have to expand his list of teams or accept that he will get to move on in the offseason.
     
    jch1911 likes this.
  9. jch1911

    jch1911 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    5,944
    Likes Received:
    7,413
    Booker may see the writing on the wall... PHX not winning & catering to KD
     
  10. DVauthrin

    DVauthrin Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 1999
    Messages:
    9,640
    Likes Received:
    7,981
    I don’t see Booker requesting a trade by February’s trade deadline.
     
  11. jch1911

    jch1911 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    5,944
    Likes Received:
    7,413
    Me either.... but anything is possible.

    I think PHX owner wanted to make a splash when he bought team. He did. Now the basketball guys have to talk some sense into him.
     
    DVauthrin likes this.
  12. jch1911

    jch1911 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    5,944
    Likes Received:
    7,413
    TimDuncanDonaut likes this.
  13. TheRealist137

    TheRealist137 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    35,432
    Likes Received:
    22,571
    jch1911 likes this.
  14. Phillyrocket

    Phillyrocket Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    14,470
    Likes Received:
    11,647
    Resigning both of those oft injured geriatrics to extensions is stupid.
     
  15. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    99,327
    Likes Received:
    49,053
  16. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,411
    Likes Received:
    144,322
    media really picks and chooses who they want to vilify and hold accountable

    Jimmy just gave up on his team and it’s crickets
     
    BHannes2BHonest and Nook like this.
  17. Hemingway

    Hemingway Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    14,062
    No way Phoenix gives up Booker for Jimmy and one pick and also give up a pick. Ridiculous. We might not want Booker anymore, at least I don't, but if they trade him it will be for matching salary and at least 3 FRP's and probably more like 5.
     
  18. Hemingway

    Hemingway Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    14,062
    How stupid is Phoenix's front office? How stupid is Riley (he's not). No way Riley takes on Beal's contract. That leave's Booker. Booker can probably get 4-5 Frp's and a decent player. Phoenix would have to be the dumbest organization in the history of the NBA to trade Booker for Jimmy just to make Durant happy.
     
  19. OremLK

    OremLK Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    Messages:
    20,087
    Likes Received:
    17,730
    Maybe they could send Book out if they can get picks back with Jimmy and sort of have their cake and eat it too? Continue to be mediocre but also get trade assets they can use to improve during the offseason? But the problem is that Miami only has like 1 tradable FRP in the next five years. A three-team deal could make sense, but made challenging by Phoenix's inability to bundle players together for salary matching purposes. It would by necessity almost have to be something like, third team gets Booker, Phoenix gets Butler and draft picks, Miami gets a PuPu platter of useful roleplayers.

    The thing is, I don't know if Phoenix is doing it even then. Another organization in the same circumstances might, but that would be at best a lateral move and probably a downgrade, and they just don't like to do that in service of acquiring mere draft picks.
     
  20. theDude

    theDude Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2003
    Messages:
    3,808
    Likes Received:
    5,507
    This can’t be upvoted enough!
     
    Joe Joe likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now