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United Healthcare CEO murdered in NYC midtown

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Dec 4, 2024.

  1. Nook

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    A lot of people like to jump to conclusions - I have done it before myself and I am sure I will again.

    She doesn't "hate" white people, or white men even - she lives in the USA, she said it is the best place that she has ever lived - I am a white man and she likes me more than my wife even. A white man has a lot of power, influence and lacks the fear that others - like a near 90-year-old 4'8" Assyrian woman has.
     
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  2. Nook

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    That sounds like my old boss before we would go try a case in Cook County.

    You really had to prepare yourself for what wonders or scum and depravity awaited you inside the Chicago courthouse.
     
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  3. Nook

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    What happened to our moral compass?

    LMFAO ..... Where has this guy been? Has he been paying attention? Has he seen the last decade of US politics? We invaded a country and killed millions of people all based on a lie.... and the guy responsible now lives in his ranch in Texas and paints watercolors of dogs....

    The heat is being TURNED UP and we will have to see how people react over the next 5-10 years - there are a lot of things wrong.
     
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  4. Os Trigonum

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    but isn't this part of the problem with a for-profit health insurance industry? Blue Cross and Blue Shield started out as non-profits, maybe a hundred years ago. But that all changed in the post-war 1950s and 60s. Now the priority is investment returns, not good health.

    your post made me think of a passage from Thoreau:

    I cannot believe that our factory system is the best mode by which men may get clothing. The condition of the operatives is becoming every day more like that of the English; and it cannot be wondered at, since, as far as I have heard or observed, the principal object is, not that mankind may be well and honestly clad, but, unquestionably, that corporations may be enriched. In the long run men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim at something high.
    I think one of the things ACA tried to do was make the approval percentage something like 80 or 85%. But the insurance industry successfully fought that off if memory serves. Not defending it, but someone's gotta have the lowest percentage--and UnitedHealthcare is huge and hugely successful. Gotta think that denial rate is responsible for most if not all of their success.
     
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    I know what you mean about people saying he had it coming. I've heard this from liberals and conservatives alike ironically. There's a lot of anger at the healthcare industry. But honestly, blaming the insurance companies is not really going to solve the problem. They are required to make sure their payout are at least 80% of premiums thanks to Obamacare - so they alone are not the culprit for crazy costs and denials of coverage.

    I disagree with you on the change thing. All this will do is make CEO's get better security and further see the general public as a threat. This will make the rich pull away from interaction from the public, not make them temper their ways. Greed is more powerful than fear. This will push greater class division.
     
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  6. Nook

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    Yeah - I don't think it is the bubble I live in, my bubble is very diverse.

    Who said anything about it being a legal defense? This is part of the point - many of the people that are indifferent or hostile towards the death of a CEO do not really believe in the legal system, they do not believe that it is fair or that it works for them or for anyone other than the wealthy or those that profit off of it.

    There are a lot of people that are fed up - that believe that they are not represented - that they are unnecessarily suffering and that is bubbling up.... maybe it goes back down, maybe it doesn't... but there are many non radical and non political people that honestly do not have any feelings towards the CEO of United being gunned down.... very measured and circumspect people I know have surprised me by commenting on how they would not turn in the shooter if they knew who did it.
     
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    I was thinking about this statement and comparison with extremist Muslim groups who resort to terrorism to obtain their goals, and at it's core it's the same basic principal: these are people who aren't getting anywhere within the ruleset they have to live in. At some point someone popped and decided to start killing people to send a message. It became part of the war for them, they became adept at it and leveraged it more and more.

    Granted, this is a very different culture from the common person in the USA. We haven't been embroiled in millennia of tribal and religious conflict that commonly results in violence. But at it's core, it's the same thing. If people get pushed too far and can't get what are basic human needs as defined in Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, people will act.

    Read my post here.

    ...of course, this could all be a clever plot to create a real 'enemy within' that the incoming administration can leverage to pass the laws they want.

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    Here go you again with your typical lefty Bernie takes filled with hatred and vitriol
     
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    Thoreau liked to wear corduroy trousers, which in his day were unfashionable and associated with the dirty immigrant Irish that were flooding into this country. He was like the Bernie Sanders of fashion . . . .
     
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    Your lazy, it didn't happen, and your typical villainization of the left for everything is tiresome. The anger of people who have been screwed over by health insurance companies is universal. Except for the usual suspects who are trying to make it a culture war left/right issue.
     
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    I don't disagree with this - and this IS a big part of the problem.

    In the past people would typically respond negatively to someone that was a legal businessman being assassinated, or an extremely wealthy person dying in disaster.... there would be fringe people on the left that would speak up sometimes.... but that isn't what has happened on both the submarine death and now the killing of the CEO.... a lot of people in the middle, and even some to the left of center have voiced an indifference with "well not surprised" or an all out support for the shooter.

    It is like a tea pot on the stove and it is spitting right now, but if it isn't turned down - water could spit out.

    We have seen a serious degradation of institutions that a majority of Americans respected - we have seen high levels of income inequality - and we have seen media and social media attempt to control how people think and feel........ it is all simmering right now.
     
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    Justifying, explaining and rationalizing murder, you lefty scum make me SIK
     
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    Shooter was a dumbass.

    You obviously have to go after the board of directors.
     
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    Where uhhh, do you think I could find some of these corduroy trousers ??

    [​IMG]

    They’re going to look AMAZING with my Senguns.
     
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    try amazon . . . another monolithic and hugely successful corporation.



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    perhaps Thoreau was merely short-sighted . . . maybe the "factory system" just needed time to make getting people well and honestly clad. Today people around the world have pretty much universal access to affordable clothing. ;)
     
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    Reform has happened before - in this very country - and without a revolt. But it was not without tremendous suffering.

    If reform doesn't happen soon, it will happen...not by revolt, but by collapse. The Great Depression is an example of what happens when greed goes to far - ultimately you end up in a system that is unsustainable. What the rich fail to realize is that most of their wealth is still paper. And if the system collapses, that paper quickly turns to nothing.

    2007 was a warning sign, but we didn't adjust. We're continuing down a path - high federal debt, life getting harder and harder, the rich getting richer. It will collapse. Maybe Trump in that sense is a good thing as it will accelerate things and maybe break things so badly it forces a fresh approach.

    The partisan politics of the last 30 years had a cost of kicking problems down the road without solving them - and making them worse in fact. And ultimately the camels back can not take that additional straw. But to be honest, collapse may be far worse than revolt.
     
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    That tweet is the definition of what is called the "woke right".
     
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    We are inhaling, consuming, and entrenching our environment with microplastics and pfas though, which is rough. I try to buy strictly natural fibers, short of shoes which are tough.
     
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    you are a good man, Nick. A very good man.
     

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