1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Free agency

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by sydmill, Nov 17, 2023.

  1. Verbal Christ

    Verbal Christ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    19,320
    Likes Received:
    30,203
    Besides Greenard - the only guys who do it for me from this list are Shultz, Nelson,Fairbairn, Fant, Singletary, and Noah Brown, Not sure you would use up the majority of the cap on these guys. Remains to be seen how many vets would be willing to come play for DeMeco on team friendly deals and how many offensive skill players would want to align with CJ. I still think we have buying power.
     
    astros123 likes this.
  2. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    23,045
    Likes Received:
    29,508
    Perryman's our 4th best in tackles and I like Thomas too. Thomas has forced a couple fumbles and isn't bad at tackling. I'd add those two to your list if we can afford them.
     
    Verbal Christ likes this.
  3. red5rocket

    red5rocket Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    10,483
    Likes Received:
    13,350
    Would love Patrick Queen or Devin White but understand the price tag would be too high.
     
    Porkasaurus85 and sydmill like this.
  4. ApolloRLB

    ApolloRLB Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    Messages:
    914
    Likes Received:
    421
    $ values represent year 1 cap hit. Lets see how close we get to $72M.

    Sheldon Rankins - upgrade to Wilkins/Jones $20M
    Dalton Schultz - re-sign - $6M
    Derek Barnett - re-sign one of Barnett/Hughes $3M
    Jerry Hughes
    Steven Nelson - re-sign $10M
    Kaimi Fairbairn - re-sign $2M
    Eric Murray - let walk
    Hassan Ridgeway - let walk
    George Fant - too expensive to re-sign
    Devin Singletary - re-sign $4M
    Cameron Johnston - let walk
    Noah Brown - let walk
    Denzel Perryman - replace with draft
    Tavierre Thomas - re-sign or replace $5M
    Scott Quessenberry - let walk
    Dare Ogunbowale - re-sign $1M
    Jon Weeks - re-sign $1M
    Neville Hewitt. - let walk
    Jon Greenard - re-sign $12M
    Charlie Heck - re-sign $3M
    Blake Cashman - re-sign $8M

    That’s $75M including a marquee DT signing. Seems entirely reasonable to make a premier outside FA signing and still keep the key internal FAs.
     
    #144 ApolloRLB, Dec 20, 2023
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2023
    astros123 and conquistador#11 like this.
  5. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    23,045
    Likes Received:
    29,508
    That's depressing. We will be supplementing our team with draft picks only it looks like there. Ugh. If only we were a team that could afford free agents. I can't get too excited over just drafting inexperienced pro level players.
     
  6. Marshall Bryant

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2018
    Messages:
    9,593
    Likes Received:
    5,262
    There are many FAs who signed one year prove it deals. We want some back and it will cost more to get them back.
     
    astros123 and Pringles like this.
  7. J_Hunter_1977

    J_Hunter_1977 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,811
    Likes Received:
    4,863
    I want Chris Jones badly but I know he will be looking for 4 years/120 million.
     
    Verbal Christ likes this.
  8. ApolloRLB

    ApolloRLB Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    Messages:
    914
    Likes Received:
    421
    You don’t build a dynasty through free agency. You build through the draft anyway. Free agency is to supplement and that’s what you’re doing this summer. If they can stay healthy the Texans already have the most important positions filled with current or future pro bowlers: CJ, Tunsil, WAJ, Stingley.

    Think of it this way…You bring this whole team back with 2+ significant upgrades (1 free agent plus draft), a little bit more depth, and another year of development from the young core. Thats a contender next year with league average health.
     
    astros123 likes this.
  9. Phillyrocket

    Phillyrocket Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    14,170
    Likes Received:
    10,896
    I’d do it. Resign Greenard and Nelson as priorities. With Sting, Pitre, Harris, and Anderson one year further along that’s setup to be a nasty defense.

    Need to catch a sliding offensive talent with the CLE pick. TE, G, and RB are all positions that tend to fall on draft day and we have needs there. Maybe Kenyon Green will finally be healthy and productive and for god sakes keep Howard at RT and stop moving him to G!
     
  10. conquistador#11

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    37,844
    Likes Received:
    25,535
    Reader/ Queen/ Uche(for depth) is still completely possible if you can sign Nelson to a 2 year deal instead of the mercenary contract.

    Then, You could probably get an extra 6 milly in cap space from reworking Howard's and Collins contracts.
    If Nelson wants more more $, Emmanuel Moseley could thrive here. We be like Rehab U up in here and he's familiar with Meco.

    Area 51/ Reader/ Collins-Tart/ Greenard

    Harris/ Cashman/ Queen

    Stingley / Nelson or Emmanuel


    Ward-rook / Pitre
     
  11. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    52,368
    Likes Received:
    59,453
  12. sydmill

    sydmill Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2002
    Messages:
    2,189
    Likes Received:
    2,156
    Free agency will be almost exclusively about the defense in my opinion. Other than Schultz I think the offense is pretty well situated. I continue to add to it with draft picks but its the defensive side of the ball where they need guys they can count on to contribute next season. So here is my plan were I Caserio:
    Player - Value*
    Sheldon Rankins - $7M
    Derek Barnett - $1.5M
    Jerry Hughes - Walk
    Steven Nelson - Walk
    Eric Murray - Walk
    Hassan Ridgeway - Walk
    Denzel Perryman - Walk
    Tavierre Thomas - Walk
    Neville Hewitt. - Walk
    Jon Greenard - $18M**
    Blake Cashman - $9M

    Thats spending about $35M on just those 4. Id budget about $50M on the defense overall. That leaves $22M to re-sign Schultz, sign the draft class and add depth pieces here and there. With the additional $15M Id aggressively pursue Azeez Al-Shaair and maybe Kristian Fulton.

    *: Value derived from spotrac.com or overthecap.com
    **: This is my max offer to Greenard. If he doesnt accept that I move on to throwing money at Bryce Huff ($9M) and AJ Epenesa ($5M) to play opposite Will Anderson. I think we save money that way but it does disrupt the defense to some degree.
     
  13. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    23,045
    Likes Received:
    29,508
    I wouldn't let Nelson walk. He has 4 interceptions like Stingley but way more tackles.
     
  14. tallanvor

    tallanvor Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    18,216
    Likes Received:
    10,844
    The texans cap space is a bit of a lie. We have tons of people on 1 year contracts so lots of positions to fill.
     
  15. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    23,045
    Likes Received:
    29,508
    Hopefully we draft some start worthy players to help make a positive impact. No injury prone players please!
     
    raining threes likes this.
  16. tmacfor35

    tmacfor35 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2008
    Messages:
    23,744
    Likes Received:
    14,135
    After seeing all the injuries. Texans need to go get them a WR1. You can’t rely on Collins who is injury prone and Dell who is a buck sixty five dripping wet. Nothing wrong with being gluttonous at that position.
     
  17. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    16,073
    Likes Received:
    11,209
    And a Stud RB wouldn't hurt either.

    I'm hoping for something like this in the draft. Speed/Speed and more Speed on both sides of the ball.

    1.Legette WR South Carolins
    2. Benson RB Fla. St.
    2. Trade up for Cooper A&M LB.
    4. Rod Moore S Michigan
     
    #157 raining threes, Dec 25, 2023
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2023
  18. Summer Song Giver

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2000
    Messages:
    6,339
    Likes Received:
    206
    PICK: 26 RND: 1 (HOU)
    T'Vondre SWEAT

    PICK: 49 RND: 2 (HOU)
    Byron MURPHY II

    PICK: 92 RND: 3 (HOU)
    Braelon ALLEN

    PICK: 117 RND: 4 (HOU)
    Cam HART

    PICK: 126 RND: 4 (HOU)
    Payton WILSON

    PICK: 154 RND: 5 (HOU)
    Tre HARRIS

    PICK: 234 RND: 7 (HOU)
    Oronde GADSDEN II

    PICK: 238 RND: 7 (HOU)
    Kaimon RUCKER
     
  19. ApolloRLB

    ApolloRLB Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    Messages:
    914
    Likes Received:
    421
    Agree on the need for speed. I see a big drop off from the top 4 receivers (Bowers included) to the next group. If one of them doesn’t drop far enough to make a trade up feasible then I’d probably go defense or oline in first round and wait until the 2nd for WR.

    This assumes we reinforce the defensive front 7 in free agency:

    1. Cooper DeJean
    2. Jermaine Burton
    3. Running back with speed that thrives in zone
    4. Cooper Beebe
     
    raining threes likes this.
  20. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    16,073
    Likes Received:
    11,209
    Dont like Beebe for a WCO.

    I've got Burton going late 3rd/Early 4th

    Benson is a solid top 50 pick. Bucky Irving is a guy I really like. I've got him going Early to mid 3rd.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now