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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. davidio840

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    I’m not sure what you’re trying to say? Biden has done nothing to stop illegal immigrants from flowing into the country. It’s almost as if he is condoning it.

    BTW- Building a wall is just about as stupid as the nothing Biden is doing.
     
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  2. tinman

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    @Os Trigonum
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  4. Amiga

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    Not when applying for asylum. Individuals entering the United States at a non-designated entry point and expressing a fear of persecution or seeking asylum are typically processed through the asylum system rather than immediately prosecuted for illegal entry. That's how our law works today. Once again, the Biden administration attempted to restrict this, but federal judges have shut it down.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

    (a) Authority to apply for asylum
    (1) In general

    Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
     
  5. Amiga

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    "Has done nothing" is not true.

    First off, any administration's hands are tied due to federal immigration law. Our immigration laws are very outdated, and Congress is the only government body that can update them.

    For example, the Biden administration wants to slow down the flow of migrants through the southern border by restricting asylum. Almost all of the restrictions have been struck down by federal judges. There has also been funding requests by the Biden administration to handle potential surge of migrants at the border, which Congress didn't approve.


    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bi...-court-uphold-asylum-restrictions-2023-11-08/
     
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  6. StupidMoniker

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    That doesn't mean they didn't commit a crime, it just means they are allowed to apply for asylum irrespective of their criminal act. If their asylum application is denied, they can still be prosecuted for illegal entry. Theoretically, they could also be granted asylum and still prosecuted for illegal entry. Asylum is a defense against removal/deportation. They are two separate issues.
     
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  7. rocketsjudoka

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    Whether we agree if it’s crime that should be prosecuted or legitimate asylum claim at the moment there isn’t the resources to process all of them either way. There’s no way there is the funding to jail so many border crossers.

    Congress needs to act on this and the framework has always been there, increased funding for border security for faster processing of asylum, and DACA. Too many people though would rather politicize the issue than come to a reasonable solution.
     
  8. tinman

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    The biggest issue is Wokeness
    @AroundTheWorld
    @ROXRAN

    the woke were all about letting everybody in the country no matter who and what they are

    until they come to their city and realize it’s gonna cost them their money and resources

    They realize money doesn’t grow on trees but it’s too late


    it’s like when you say you want Jeremy Lin and ignore that he can’t shoot or pass and then he’s on your team and you want him off like a mosquito @Os Trigonum
    @ROXRAN
     
  9. Amiga

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    Unless it's an overzealous prosecutor, individuals aren't prosecuted if they have a legitimate asylum claim. If they don't, they aren't prosecuted either; instead, they are usually just deported.

    You may or may not disagree with the above, but what nearly everyone agrees with is that the current immigration laws are outdated, and the immigration system is broken. Only Congress can fix that, and Congress has not done so for years. Instead, people continue to complain about the issue and blame whoever is the current administration. This is and continues to be a problem caused by Congress and one that only they can address. The reason it isn't being addressed ranges from usual politics to sticking to the extremes and refusing to compromise on a solution. Politics and extremism are the maing roadblocks preventing a resolution to this issue.
     
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    Yeah - I am not terribly happy that the priorities in Washington are as far afield from their actual duties in at least 100 years, and there will be repercussions for normal people.

    The fact that immigration hasn’t really been addressed is unacceptable. Congress and the Senate need to work it out - and they don’t because the issue is political folly for both parties, but in this case, especially Republicans.

    People can get angry at Biden - but he isn’t congress of the Senate.
     
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    Lol what happened to the concept of "sanctuary cities" accepting everyone that steps on United States soil o_O...now the sanctuary cities are crying ~ what happened ? They get what they wanted - there is only one solution- secure the border !
     
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  14. NewRoxFan

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    "Biden has done nothing to stop illegal immigrants". When you start with such a blatantly untrue premise you already lost the argument.

    This took two seconds:https://www.dhs.gov/news/2023/09/20...inistration-takes-new-actions-increase-border

    So any suggestions that Biden should be impeached, or should be removed off ballots, because of border security is ridiculous.

    What maga republicans like yourself are trying but failing to say... he isn't doing what we republicans want him to do. But even then you have a problem explaining exactly what that is. And when bills are put forward to address border security, maga republicans vote against them.

    So since you feel so strongly about border security, and you apparently agree that building a wall is stupid (which it clearly was), what would you suggest Biden do? I've posted my recommendations. What are yours?
     
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    Let’s not forget that Trump was also
    Dealing with caravans of migrants. He used to talk about them as President. He couldn’t secure the border either.

    It’s up to Congress to provide both the legal framework and funding to do it.
     
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  17. tinman

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    Biden has done plenty breh

    for Venezuela and Mexico and Haiti and Hamas and Nicaragua etc
    @basso
     
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  18. davidio840

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    Lol. Where did I suggest he should be impeached or removed from a ballot? Man talk about making **** up to suit your agenda. Typical liberal mentality. Biden shouldn’t be on the ballot due to his cognitive impairments among other things.

    The link you posted is nothing but words. None of that has happened. Well except for the giving protection to all of the illegal immigrants here already.

    Where are your recommendations? I didn’t see anything other than creating false accusations and narratives. Typical coming from out of touch liberals. You’re probably one of those who thinks we should cut off oil/gas like yesterday. All the while not realizing everything you touch is a byproduct of it.

    The government should increase security in masses for one. Your link claims they are doing that, but clearly not. The states are doing it themselves without federal resources.

    Deport people who come here illegally immediately. Work with Mexico to stop the huge waves of immigrants going through their country on the way here. There’s a plethora of things that can be done that aren’t being done. It’s not that difficult to comprehend.

    This administration is too busy sending money to other countries (some that they have benefited from greatly in the past - Biden/Ukraine), rather than using it here to fix our country. If you don’t see that, then you’re truly blind to reality. Most
    Libtards are.
     
  19. NewRoxFan

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    I have posted these recommendations numerous times on this and other threads (note, one of your suggestions is on this list):
    1. Increased hiring of border patrol agents
    2. Increased use of technology (eg drones, electronic monitoring)
    3. Working closely with other countries to discourage migrants going from and through their countries
    4. Reducing the draw by cracking down on hiring of illegal immigrants by US companies
    5. Repairing/strengthening physical barriers where needed
    Here are just a few of my past posts with these recommendations. btw, President Obama's DHS secretary proposed most of these.

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/solving-illegal-immigration.291776/page-118#post-14824567

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/solving-illegal-immigration.291776/page-33#post-12345693

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/...uild-border-wall.296537/page-48#post-13475794

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/breaking-trumps-wall.295110/page-50#post-12167469

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/ukraine.294682/page-746#post-14970943

    Your fellow maga mtg has been introducing impeachment bills re: border security for many months. Fortunately, not even her fellow magas even vote for her bills. But she rants the same false statements you do. That's your false reality. Your other false reality is that your fellow magas want to do something about illegal immigration and border security. They continually vote against bills for border security.
     
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  20. Astrodome

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    During times when the US is active in foreign wars, charge a $10k refundable deposit for a Biden phone and court date. If your claim isn't approved, you get your $10k back for the return journey. $2k for under 18.

    All proceeds fund DHS.
     

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