Just don't be gay. It's his responsibility to not be gay or enjoy having a romance that non gay people can enjoy. I don't buy the bs about what he did as a mayor that pisses off minority voters. Because then if they applied the same logic, Biden is 1000x worse.
That was my initial impression of him about 9M ago. He's competent in running a government and I still see him that way. But my impression of him in the other areas has changed. DeSantis endorses the worst of the MAGA election denial candidates, so that's a red flag and a bad mark on 'he's going to be okay for Democracy'. He went after black voters with the threat of prosecutions and jails. That's clearly anti-Democracy and he actually executed it. Huge red flag. He's pretty divisive with his massive anti-wokism. But the bigger problem I have is with him using the power of the gov to go after private entities as part of his anti-wokism platform.
Minority voters very widely, and an overall grouping of "minority voters" isn't really helpful for that reason. I don't know how Chinese American voters feel about Pete or how Pakistani American women voters feel about him. What I do know is that black voters thus far do not support Pete as the Democrat nominee. What is the split between black women and black men? IDK other than no one is winning the democratic nomination without the support of black voters and Pete doesn't have it. Is it because he is gay? That is very likely an issue for some voters, but I don't think that is the only reason he isn't more popular. As I get older, I hear a lot of people say who certain demographics should support.... I have even said it in the past. For example I have heard a lot of democrats ask why working-class white men support Donald Trump... at this point I find it to be a fruitless exercise.
I think Pete took flack among progressives/millennials for his life at McKinsey. His camp paints him as "wonky" or "technocratic", but the main pleb complaints are that he's "a suit" and will cut workers to drive numbers and an ultimate bottom line ($$$ over "values"). The comments about him not being "openly gay" is a bit off...more like the appearance that he can "pass as straight". This drives complaints among voters against his "authenticity": Millennial without the pains of being one (debt ridden, home less, under employed barista). A Gay Man who can choose not being one (sassy and fabulous??) in a high level setting. If there was analogue like Oreo for Black Americans, Pete would fit inside that apprehension. Doesn't sound right or appropriate, but it describes the resistance against him. Probably why they're tanking with Hispanic...LatinX voters right now.
interesting...seems I need to look into DeSantis more closely, but I can't see him being anywhere near as bad as Trump...I don't view him as full-blown MAGA although he does things to throw red meat to the base maybe he is full-blown MAGA but better at dressing it up than Trump and I'm way off-base about him
Sexual orientation still matters to some voters. Whether it is right or wrong is irrelevant. I don't like that there has never been a woman elected President. I can point to unfair biases, but at the end it doesn't change the reality.
I understand this happens but my issue is you are trying to claim a certain ideological strain does it more than the other. Everyone is an individual. And there are individual Black folks and Brown folks who believe the mainstream Democrats more embrace the role of "taking their voting bloc for granted" than leftists.
Yes, I think that is part of it - and we are seeing Hispanics in the USA in large numbers being absorbed into the "white" ruling class. We saw it with the Irish and Italians and Jews. Every time someone proclaims that whites will be the minority and not make decisions, what constitutes being "white" changes.
ANd those are fair answers to why Biden was chosen in a primary. I kept on asking why and you are providing answers. Thanks.
As I've said before he reminds me a lot of Nixon. Was very capable and some of his domestic policies would be considered progressive by today's standards. Nixon was a cultural warrior and his electoral success in 1968 was based on the culture wars of the time. He by nature was uncomfortable with the personal touch of campaigning and didn't have much empathy. I don't foresee DeSantis rallying his supporters to have something like Jan. 6th but I could see ihim doing something Nixonian and sing behind the scenes pressure to sway an election that wasn't going his way.
Of course, there are individuals that are black that dislike Biden or even the democratic party. There are conservative black voters that hate the Democratic party. The issue I have is that I often hear from more progressive Democrats bemoaning that they do not get more support from black voters - and the answer is that they obviously do not understand the voting priorities of views of a sizeable portion of the black voting bloc. That can change, in 5 years we could see a large shift..... but not right now. It is no different than when Democrats lost the blue-collar white male voter and didn't know why. One thing I will give the Republicans, they lose a voting bloc and they don't wonder why - they know why.
Yeah, that Vanity Fair article I posted in his thread also makes me think he's Nixonian and unlikeable as a normal human. Ofc, maybe it's my bias of what "normal human" should be for a Governor who spent in-state funds to ship asylum seekers from another state to yet a different state, then claim they're illegals on social media. All for the lulz and Libruhl tears at the expense of Florida Man Money (cuz they rich Tesla owners).
FWIW the Progressive wing of the party is doing EXTRORDINARILY well with single women of all demographics and ages. Moderate Democrats are not doing well with married white women overall. So, if I hear Joe Biden or some moderate Democrat candidate complain about women voters, I would tell them that perhaps they shouldn't marginalize candidates that appeal to single women, like AOC, Warren and Sanders.
Also let me be clear. My prefence for "not Biden" in a primary isn't even about "leftist policy". And in a sense my arguments aren't even about electability. I just thought Pete besides being gay, had less holes in what the GOP could use as attacks. The other attack probably would be inexperience. But Pete is just 20x better at expressing ideas to the public. And he is robust. He can break down policy in nuanced terms and in more simple terms. You just can't poke as many holes in the way he carries himself. Just like Pete is 20x better at conveying messages and creating rhetorical arguments in support of polices , Obama was 50x better. I also think that mainstream GOP would not be even able to touch Pete's homosexuality as a negative thing. I think even main stream Fox News, WSJ types cringe at just basic homosexuality. It has become mainstream enough where it looks cringe when someone goes on a negative rant about it even in right wing circles.
DeSantis is getting away with a lot of reprehensible behavior because he isn't Trump. Republican voters are numb at this point after all the chaos. DeSantis will likely have to debate Trump and that likely will not go well for him at all.
