You can't comprehend worth a 3$ bill, the multiple champs means they were the best/cream of the crop (superstar led teams), that the now watered down 30 team league has come to, if the league were 15/16 teams then the games and league as a whole would be better competition, especially come playoff time because both units would be basically all star caliber players for each squad, which would be entertaining as hell you should adjust your entire paradigm because Draymond would have by default had to play the Tucker role since they both played the PF/small ball C positions, so if they switched teams, the Rockets would have Draymond in the corner spot where it is easier to hit wide open 3's outside of top of the key or do you want to present a argument where Draymond would join Harden in the backcourt as the new PG? since 'arguing' seems to be your cup of herbal tea you keep taking a conversation or one's opinion for being a argument, which you were the only one arguing since the first time you replied to my post, child please
and you are still trolling about Jimmy Butler's bottom B, your infatuation with Harden and HardenVolumeOne is pure hollywood comedy
Lebron is a inefficient volume scorer right? the same player who is seeking to be the all time nba leading scorer and has avg like 25+ppg for like 18 seasons straight, on i guess supreme inefficiency right? you need to take up covering another sport, because bball is surely something you haven't played before, you never been in the trenches or game planned for, including YMCA games
My point is that, based on the time period you selected, the Warriors would qualify as both a bottom feeder as well as a multiple champion. In other words, your sample does not support your assertion. And regarding Draymond, it's idiotic to think that he'd be a serviceable 3pt shooter on the Rockets just because he would "practice" more. He would've tried to play the Tucker role, failed at it, and would've needed to carve out a different role. It's like when we first signed Trevor Ariza and expected him to turn into a quasi-star. It never happened; not every player can fit into any role. Again, it's simply bad logic to assume that a guy who has shot less than 31% from the 3pt line (with all attempts being wide open) for 6 consecutive years would shoot better on a different team. You're moving the goalpost. We were talking about Lebron in isolation situations. In his prime, he had developed into a fine iso player, but I think we can all agree that Durant, Harden, and Irving were in another tier.
Nobody is moving anything, i said since the 1980's and you changed it to the 1990's, now you are trying to create a new argument about how the Warriors would be a bottom feeder, while not mentioning how the Bulls were bottom feeders as well in the early 80's when they drafted Jordan and made the playoffs with like 30 or so wins early in his career, which has nothing to do with what i mentioned the Celtics way back in the day didn't win nothing either until Russell joined them and they then won 8 in a row and 11 in 13 years with him and you can't be a 30ppg for a season or more or avg 27ppg for career if you are not a legit one on one scorer, Jordan was a great one on one player and even he had the triangle offense which was based on passing/cutting Irving has more in his bag as far as dribbling / fanciness, KD is just a better pure natural shooter, and Harden has more range, and KD is the only one who puts fear in others on the same level as Lebron, but yet they have basically the same ppg for their career with KD having more scoring titles at that, and maybe even Harden has more scoring titles as well and if they were all coming out of their respective college / high school in the same draft, Lebron is being drafted to start your team over them with KD being right there, regardless of who is the so called superior iso scorer and Lebron would get double teamed meaning nobody wanted to leave him one on one or it was basically a bucket / foul drawn, Lebron was in his prime basically rookie year and easily by 2nd/3rd season when he avg around 27 and 30ppg and that same player who shot less than 31% for 6 consecutive seasons also shot 33 / 38% in other seasons prior as well, so like i said you are the one here arguing / moving goalposts ie. reaching for straws, and i would tell you to stop but that is what you do best, so continue to do whatever floats your boat just stop trying to put your thoughts n words as being something i said
Do you not understand that moving it from 1980 to 1990 was for your benefit? Going back to 1980 added another championship franchise. Can you reiterate and clarify your point? Because it sounds like you're trying to argue that the league is currently watered down which is highly unlikely given the fact that the past 4 years have seen 4 unique champions. Again, no one is saying Lebron wasn't a fine iso player at his peak, but he simply isn't in the top tier, let alone the best. Why do you keep bringing up ppg? That's irrelevant to a player's ability to score in iso. And don't underestimate Kyrie's iso ability. It's more than his handles; he's an excellent shooter. He was actually in the 50/40/90 club two years ago. Another useless point. Of course Lebron would be drafted over KD. Basketball is a team game, and Lebron is a better team player. But you said that Lebron was the best iso player, and that's what I'm focusing on despite your multiple attempts to move the goalposts. Or they wanted his teammates to beat him. You know.....common sense defensive tactics. Draymond Green has been in the league 10 seasons. NBA average 3pt shooter is 35%. Terrible is ~30%. In other words, in those 10 seasons, he's had one season shooting above average. He's has 2 seasons below average, and he's had 7 terrible seasons. So you're trying to base your argument on something he's done for one season, and I'm basing my argument on something he's done for nine seasons. Yet you think your argument is stronger.......because he'd "practice" more in Houston.
I never did move it, i started it from there and you went with your since 1990 jibberish i did not say Lebron was the best, and once again this is the same thing you couldn't comprehend when i said the Warriors won more games (reg. seasons) the previous season than when after they acquired KD after the 2016 Finals choke job This is my quote about Bron and just go play with somebody else, it's boring: Ancient Moabite said: ↑ and Lebron is one of the best one on one players One of the best, meaning as in being in the group of all best so called iso players since the NBA came into existence in i think around the 1940's or so of course they would want someone other Lebron to beat them since he would easily score one on one, no difference than when teams would double Jordan or Shaq or whoever else who was a dominant one on one / iso unstoppable force like i said, you have never played bball a day in your life, and the fact that you haven't refute or challenged that quote makes it more obvious you just keeping making up stuff to argue, if you are that bored, go do some yoga or fishing, or go outside and punch the air and talk to yourself
Nobody has ever debated rather Draymond was above league average in 3pt shooting, you are the one bringing that up, i just mentioned what role he would play in the Mike D / Harden system in Tucker role / swap, you are the one who came with all that other schism when drafting from scratch, you would have no other players, which Lebron would still get drafted 1st overall if KD/Harden/Irving are the players to choose from, that is what i was talking about, regardless of team player or iso player etc, he's the most dominant / best out of that group, case closed
So you're expanding it to include NBA history? You were already on shaky ground when we were talking about Lebron being one of the best one on one players of his era....and now you're doubling down? To clarify, what does "one of the best" mean to you? Top 5? Top 10? Top 20? Exactly. You said Draymond would have Tucker's corner 3 role.....which means that he'd need to improve his percentage so he'd be at least serviceable from the 3pt line. Unless you're arguing that the Rockets would let him shoot corner 3's at an abysmal percentage....
If i said Jordan / Bron / Dream or whoever is one of the best iso / dominant players ever, wouldn't that include the entire NBA history, or would it soothe your lower-self ego if i said of his generation? is Ray Allen one of the best 3pt shooters ever? is R. Miller one of the best 3pt shooters ever? well of course they are, where you rank them is rather you come up with a magical number of best 25 or best 20 or best 50 / 75 you just got caught up again and claimed i said Lebron was ''the best'', which was false doubling down on what? your dogmatic views of the picture you keep on re-painting? well of course i said Draymond would have Tucker role, and maybe he would maintain his 33 / 38% or regress, that was my opinion and it stays that way, so be it
The onus is on you to provide clarity for your statements. Not sure why you're getting so defensive about it. Without clarity, it can be argued that Luther Head is one of the best iso players in NBA history. One of the 10,000 best, but still one of the best, right? So it's your opinion that he'd be able to sustain his outlier career high? Because he'd practice more? Sure, that makes sense.
Well if we are going to nitpick then i guess according to you Luther Head would be one of the best iso players in sports his-story some things are just self explanatory, like saying Dream is one of the best Centers ever, but without your glorified hyped clarity we could also throw Luc Longley / B Carthwright / Big Country and whoever else you want to fill in the blank to keep your argument nature running amok is Dream one of the best Centers to ever play in the NBA? what type of clarity would you need from that? That is what is was basing my opinion on if Green had been in the super heavy live and die by the 3 system of Mike D/Harden, Draymond would have had to focus on that role way more than what he does for his current and only squad to date but for some reason that just went over your head because you are looking at it from his Warriors stint and not what he would have been only asked to do in his Tucker role with Rockets so who knows if he would have been able to maintain a 33 to 38% from distance, or if he would have plummeted to where he is at currently, it was my 2 cents and you took it as being fact and created your silly arguing (with yourself) next you will try to argue why water is (not) wet and when it rains it really is a sand storm, and then next you will argue why aren't the people in Greenland called green people. Have you ever played any sport at a sub par level according to your peers? have you ever competed where they said you could possibly be the best on your team or in your conference/league? because you are talking like someone who has never experienced actually being in the trenches now watch you respond with more schism
Nope, that's according to you. That's your logic. If you recall, I'm the one trying to get you to clarify your statements, and you're the one being intentionally vague so you can cling to being "technically" right. We weren't talking about Olajuwon. We were talking about Lebron and your assertion that he's one of the best iso scorers in NBA history. Since you won't specify what "one of the best" means (i.e. top 10, top 100, top 1000, top 10,000), you aren't really saying anything. You use a lot of words to say nothing. So you're back to the "more practice" argument, eh? It was stupid before, and it's stupid now. If you're going to assert that he would be a serviceable 3pt shooter (i.e. the PJ Tucker role), then you need a better argument than "he'd practice more". Also, fwiw, serviceable 3pt shooters don't have youtube videos of nothing but airballs.
Now my opinion / 2 cents has turned into logic i know we weren't talking about the Dream, but i mentioned that as being the same thing with what i said about Bron, it's self explanatory he would have to put in more work / focus if he had that role with that Mike D system, which is why i gave my opinion / thoughts about it, you took it out of context and replied with your lower-self schism, you could have just read my reply and kept it moving now is water wet, yes or no? are the people in Greenland, green people, yes or no Lebron is one of the GOAT's, Dream is one of the GOAT's I Am not worried at all about being so called technically right, you are the only one worried about that since you think you are arguing, so you want to be right, stop deflecting your mental state onto others when you make an opinion, it's not about being right or wrong, just 2 cents on how you feel a situation would be based on whatever topic you are speaking about, nothing more nor less and you should take your own advice about words, and say less
It's really not. It can be argued that Olajuwon is the GOAT center while I'd assert that Lebron isn't in the top tier of iso players. Back to "more practice", eh?
