let's play a game. What is Klay's shell of his former self stats in the playoffs in 2022 What was Klay's career playoffs stats They also added Poole's scoring, playing the exact same system since 2014. Curry might be easiest player in NBA history to build around, based on the fact that he has never been on another successful team built any other way. Great logic
Again you are using the Warriors version of Draymond, which would be different for the Rockets version of Draymond when talking about the Tucker corner 3 ball role, if Draymond knew all he had to do was focus on that and do what he does organically [Def. / hustle] then he would have been practicing that in super volume all day everyday based on the Rockets philosophy, now would he have improved from 30% to 35% we won't know because he never played for the Rockets of course defenders would want him to shoot when you have other lethal shooters surrounding him, you always go for the weak link, you can't give space to Klay/Curry or when they had KD Kidd / Rondo and others became better 3pt shooters than when they first entered the league, so to think it's moronic says more about your Self, i guess Kidd / Rondo etc just got better or more comfortable shooting the 3pt shot by just waking up and going to the game, or did they actually practice at it? who cares about if he punched Poole, Jordan choked out Kerr, was Kerr trash talking Jordan because he sucked at shooting 3's and Kerr was better at it? Draymond doesn't need to focus on shooting as i have mentioned, and you keep proving it by bringing up his airballs for some odd reason, his focus is D anchor and being a quasi leader and assist hunting for the Warriors (not Rockets or any other nba team) had he played for that Rockets 3 ball squad he would have had no choice but to focus on corner 3's and the assist hunting would have been put on the back burner, but he plays D/hustle by nature since his college days i never said Draymond was a good shooter the ones in the Warriors org. are probably looking at it from my angle, seeing they have the shooters so let Draymond excel at what he does best, you act like Draymond is forced to shoot the same amount of 3's per game like Klay/Curry he probably takes like 2/3 attempts per game and makes 1, and you keep bringing up his shooting like its a big deal when he avg around 9ppg and 7-8 shots per game for his career, get a grip
Klay used to be one of the best 2-way players in the league. Are you asserting he still is? Yes. A system that's centered on Curry. Also based on the facts that he's an elite on-ball player and the best off-ball player in NBA history.
Again, you're assuming that GSW, one of the most prolific 3pt shooting teams in NBA history, didn't want Draymond Green shooting 3's despite the fact that, if he did learn to shoot 3's, the Warriors would've been a dynasty on par with the Celtics. You're comparing point guards with a power forward. Critical thinking please. Of course Draymond needed to improve his shooting. Your logic is terrible. He has an obvious flaw that defenses often exploit, and you think he didn't try to improve it? Seriously, use some critical thinking. And he would've failed because he's a poor shooter who wilts under pressure. You've repeated said/implied that he would've been a serviceable shooter had he practiced more. No one looks at it from your angle because your angle is idiotic. It's the NBA. These are professionals. If there's a weakness, try to fix it. If you can't fix it, try to mitigate it. Absolutely no one above pee-wee basketball level is thinking, "here's a glaring weakness that defenses continually exploit....let's ignore it."
Klay averaged 19 ppg in 2022 on 39% shooting from 3 in the playoffs, which is what he has historically averaged. He's no longer the same defender as he was, that's why they added Wiggins to replace the defense. He's still an elite level catch and shooter. It's system centered around great off ball players, Curry just happened to be the best off ball player. The warriors were blowing teams out of the water without Curry both in the regular season and the playoffs without Curry playing, even before getting Durant in the mix. Curry is just part of a larger system. Warriors systems is always about the sum of all its parts rather than individuals, they were blessed with unique combination of 2 greatest shooters ever and one of the most versatile defenders and offense coordinators in Green. Curry and Green without Klay and Poole's help in 2021 were a 9th seed playin team. Again you have not provided a single good argument that Curry is the easiest player to build around when he has only been in one system with the same Coach and team mates
GSW is one of the most prolific 3pt shooting teams in history based on having 2 (Klay/KD) of the greatest 3pt shooters on their roster since the Curry era, based on your analogy, the Warriors should have Looney shooting 3's at a high clip as well, but they probably realize you can't have your cake/ice cream and gifts all at once, so they take their cake (Klay/Curry/KD and even Iggy and Porter shot 3's at decent clip for them) and if Draymond was a career 35% 3pt shooter they would not have won 8 in a row like the B Russell era, they barely beat a Lebron and injury riddled Cavs squad in 15' and choked in 16', if KD didn't arrive they probably wouldn't have no titles, let alone 4 No, I Am comparing practicing shooting 3's at a super volume level (Rockets agenda) vs. ball movement / dead eye shooters running off screens (Warriors), and how Draymond role would be diff. in either agenda, i just used Kidd / Rondo as an example to show you how players improve just as there are bigs like Brook Lopez and plenty others who have added a 3pt shot to their game, or did those bigs like Lopez just get out of bed and start hitting 3's or did they adapt/adjust/improve? his said flaws were masked by having those snipers around him, similar to how he covers up a lot on defense why isn't Curry all nba level defender since he has Draymond to learn from and plenty of time to practice on defense after all these years? Now Curry probably has slightly improved by becoming stronger but it's still his weak link in his game, but if Curry had practiced more and became a Draymond Green caliber defender on perimeter then they wouldn't have choked away that 3-1 lead in 16' Finals....because defense wins championships right? you keep acting like i said Draymond is a clutch shooter who hits clutch shots and shoots volume 3's, that is you who have created this comical narrative and propping him up to tear him down and earlier in career Draymond had a couple seasons of shooting 33 / 38% from 3, but that doesn't mean he is an overall good 3pt shooter, it just means he had couple seasons showcasing he made 1 out of 3, or 2 out of 5 attempts and you have repeated your same thoughts over and over, so the returned replies shall remain the same
Again, Curry is the greatest off-ball player in NBA history, an elite on-ball player, and the GOAT shooter. If you don't think that's the easiest player to build around, then you don't understand basketball. He can flourish alongside literally everyone.
Fact is, you don't know how good the Warriors would've been. Draymond Green's offense was their biggest liability, and now, hypothetically, we're turning it into a relative strength. Please, use some critical thinking. Do you understand the difference between guards and forwards? Look at Brook Lopez's stats. In his first year of shooting 3's, he was shooting them near 35%. So he didn't "add" a 3pt shot to his game. He always had it, and he was eventually allowed to use it. Curry has improved dramatically at defense to the point where he's arguably a positive defensive player. That you still think he's a weak link on defense proves your ignorance. Yes, if Curry became the GOAT player in NBA history, they probably win the 2016 finals. No, I act like you said Draymond would be a serviceable shooter if he practiced more which is idiotic since it assumes he doesn't already repeatedly practice. He's had 6 consecutive years of shooting less than 31% from the 3pt line. At this point, we know exactly who he is. Well, everyone else does. You don't. Go for it. Double down on the idiocy.
But i guess you do know it all because you claimed they would have rivaled the Celtics dynasty, so how do you know how good they would have been if Green would have been a consistent 35+% 3pt shooter? How can you say what you say, but then others can't have a diff. view? are you that full of your lower-self ego? do you understand the difference between improving or not? is B Lopez a guard? can you comprehend what improving at something means, rather you be a guard or forward or center? did Giannis improve his 3pt shooting, did P George improve his 3pt shooting? are they listed as forwards or guards? help me out because you seem to have all the facade answers so Lopez always had something in his bag that he didn't use? well i guess he was either the smartest or dumbest bball player ever, you choose which side of the spectrum Curry has improved so much at defense that they still attack him more consistently than others, and i mentioned he slightly improved because of strength, but he was such a horrible one on one defender that improving is i guess similar to saying Draymond improved his 3pt shot by shooting 38% during a season.........K Irving cooked Curry in that 16' Finals i didn't say Curry had to be the so called GOAT for them to win that 16' Finals, i said if he had worked (practiced) on his weakness at a higher rate, which was defense, then they should have won that 16' Finals because the cliche is that so called 'defense wins ships' once again, i said if Draymond would have been in the 3pt all or nothing super happy high volume Rockets squad he would have been in the Tucker role with ability to still quasi playmaker (to lesser degree), but the Rockets would have had him trying to get as comfortable as he possibly could shooting those corner 3's so his main focus would have been to practice them more in volume, which he would either slightly improve, or could remain same or improve heavily, but sorry we will never know I Am guessing it would improve, you are saying it won't, whoopty doo
The Warriors already have 4 titles in 7 years, and you're hypothetically turning their greatest weakness into a strength. You don't think their dynasty would've rivaled the Celtics'? If fine if you have a different view, but you should be able to support it. As it stands, your perspective is illogical. Do you understand that it's easier for wings to improve their shooting than bigs? Their touch is better. Their coordination is better. Seriously, do you understanding what "improving" means? Because Brook Lopez didn't "improve". Paul George shot 38.5% from the 3pt line in his second year (first year as a full-time starter), and he was a 40% college 3pt shooter. What you fail to understand is, some players can improve. Others can't. Draymond Green falls into the latter. I don't think Giannis has improved. He's spent the majority of his career between 25% - 30%. Based on his stats, the only logical conclusion is that he always had it in his bag. Yep, the Celtics attacked him. And that's why the Warriors won another title. And are you seriously bringing up Kyrie Irving? Irving is one of the best one-on-one players in NBA history. What point are you trying to make by bringing up Irving? You said if Curry played "Draymond Green caliber defense". Guess what.....if you add DG's defense to Curry's offense, he'd be the GOAT. Once again, Draymond Green is on the Warriors, one of the most prolific 3pt point shooting teams in NBA history. For many years, their biggest weakness has been Draymond's shooting. They've won 4 titles in 7 years. Do you really think their coaching staff is so stupid that they wouldn't try to improve Green's shooting? Please, use some critical thinking.
For the sixth time in the last eight years, the Warriors are headed to the NBA Finals. While Golden State missed the NBA Playoffs in each of the previous two seasons, its resurgence in 2022 is a reminder that the dynasty is far from over. After winning three titles in five trips to the NBA Finals between 2014 and 2018, the Warriors' trio of Stephen Curry, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson will look to win its fourth title in the last eight seasons, joining an elite group of individuals with four or more rings. (ARTICLE QUOTE). ============================================================================= 4 titles in 7 seasons (in your words) is not a 8peat, not even close, Russell Celtics won 11 in 13 seasons, so once again not even close. I did support my view with my 2 cents, just because you didn't agree with it doesn't change nothing, how can i support it other than my thought/words when Draymond never got a chance to play in the Rockets system? the Warriors have 2 volume 3pt shooters, the Rockets entire system was based on the entire team shooting 3's, Mike D wanted 60+ attempts per game from 3, and if given the chance would have wanted more I was never debating on who could improve easier out of wings / bigs shooting, i was showcasing how players can improve shooting, rather a big/wing etc, and it should be natural for a wing/guard because that is what their perimeter game is mostly based on vs. post playing bigs, more so old school than new age stretch 5's Draymond also shot 38% from 3 for a season, so he regressed, and Giannis has improved, but is up and down thru his career on 3pt %, similar to Draymond, but Giannis is basically a down hill/post player, so he sticks to his strengths as well according to their system (non Rockets / Harden era) Everybody attacks Curry since day 1, and Lebron is one of the best one on one players and Iggy still won Finals MVP after getting basically destroyed by Bron, so Curry should have done the same while getting destroyed by K Irving, the point i was making was a counter to yours when you claimed that the GWS prolific 3pt system should have made Draymond a better 3pt shooter so the defensive prowess of Draymond who i think won DPOY or was in the running for that award heavily for a good stretch of seasons should have rubbed off on Curry and make him a great perimeter defender, but it doesn't work that way, but in your ego-centric thoughts they must do Once again Curry has played with a defensive wiz who set the culture for them defensively and he still is their weakest defender, that is why they work so well in tandem, ying n yang, as above so below, as within so without, get over it
Seriously guy. Critical thinking. Just a little. Please. When Boston won 8 straight, there were 8 teams in the league. You understand that, right? 8 teams. The NBA currently has 30 teams. You do the math. You can't support it because it's an unsupportable assertion. Draymond Green plays for one of the most prolific 3 point shooting teams in NBA history. It's absolutely ludicrous for you to imply they didn't want Draymond Green to shoot a better 3pt percentage, especially when that was their greatest weakness. Based on the rest of Draymond Green's career, it's clear that the 38% season was an outlier. Regarding Giannis, if his percentage fluctuates up and down between 25-30%, that's not improvement. And since then, it's become increasingly less effective. Also, you need to understand that defensively, an improved Curry can still be the weakest link when the rest of the chain includes Klay, Draymond, Durant, and Iggy. It doesn't mean Curry is a bad defender. It just means he's the worst out of those 5. This is pure stupidity. This is further stupidity. Irving is one of the best iso players in NBA history. He can make anyone look bad at any given time. Why don't you explain how Draymond Green, who isn't a great perimeter defender, is supposed to make Curry a great perimeter defender?
And it still feels like it's eight teams in the league out of the now watered down 30 teams because the Sixers / Celtics / Lakers dominated the 80's with the Pistons sneaking in there in 89/90 ships then the 90's had Bulls / Rockets winning all the rings with Spurs sneaking in there at tail end in 99' or beginning of new era, depending on how you see it, in the 2000's the Lakers / Spurs won all the rings with the Pistons / Heat sneaking in there with 04' / 06' ships in the 2010's it was been Heat / Warriors / Spurs / Mavs, and now in the 2020's it has been Raptors and rinse and repeat Warriors / Lakers so, since the 80's it has been 8 or so teams that have played musical chairs winning the title, basically an 8 / 9 squad rotation out of 28 / 30 teams (90's expansion teams came later), which makes the league watered down to the max, so the league is better off chopping it in half and going to 15 teams, which would create more superteams and competitive games / playoffs The NBA only created more teams for more $$$ for their corporate accounts, not to make the overall product more competitive / better for so called fans, they only want the fans energy / commerce transactions, and whoever says otherwise is a bold face lie Draymond shot 20% rookie year from 3, then 33 / 38(rounded off) / 39(rounded off) / 31 / 30% all the following seasons, so is that a good enough assertion? or do you need something else to soothe your lower-self ego, you seem to like arguing with yourself It's pure stupidity to say Lebron is one of the best / most unstoppable players vs. whoever is on a island with him? Iggy so called slowed him down one on one but Lebron still put up 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds and 8.8 assists in 6 games in the 2015 NBA Finals..... so how is that pure stupidity? who can truly guard prime Lebron one on one? or any great player for that matter, i'll wait Curry should have channeled his inner Draymond and learned from them practicing daily together and got down and dirty on the defensive side and contained / slowed down Irving, he did the opposite why don't you explain, how Green, who isn't a dead eye volume 3pt shooter, supposed to become one because he played on the most prolific 3pt shooting squad(your words) in nba history? i'll wait
More teams, more variability, more difficulty in creating a dynasty. Again, 6 consecutive seasons of shooting less than 31% from the 3pt line. You think you're arguing against me, but you're not. You're arguing against statistics. Draymond Green has had 1 above average season, 2 below average seasons, and 7 seasons where he shot so poorly that he shouldn't have been shooting them at all. Yes, it's pure stupidity to say that Lebron is one of the best one on one players. In terms of iso scoring, guys like Durant, Harden, and Irving are in a totally different tier than Lebron. Lebron put up volume points on terrible efficiency. You don't have to wait. You answered the question yourself. Lebron shot poorly when guarded by Iggy. So much stupid here. Again, Irving is one of the best iso players in NBA history and plays in an era that benefits perimeter players. Do you understand that? No single defender is going to consistently contain the best iso perimeter players. You don't have to wait since it's already been answered. As I've stated countless times, Draymond Green isn't a good shooter. Do you have reading comprehension issues?
More teams equal more $$, it's the only way the modern corporate structure can operate n survive, it's all about trade / commerce, read a Treaty/Constitution or Congressional records in your spare time, the dynasty is the 8/9 teams (superstar driven) that have won a title since the 80's, the nba is a business first and last and they could care less about a single team dynasty once again i never claimed Draymond to be a dead eye prolific shooter, i posted numbers where he improved from rookie year and then regressed after shooting above 33% then plummeted, you are acting like i said he was prolific, where i stated he would have played a Tucker corner 3 role and would have had to take many practice reps trying to perfect that role in the Rockets / Mike D 3pt super heavy system Yet Lebron has pretty much the same career ppg as KD and more than Harden/Irving Bron: year 2 / 27ppg / 47% fg on 21 spg then; 31ppg on 48% on 23 spg with another 30ppg season and 48% fg then later with Heat shot 51 - 57% in those 4 seasons and the next 8 seasons shot over 50% six times while doing 49% in the other two It wasn't just Iggy guarding him, it was the entire Cavs squad, and it was Bron solo because his big two were out injured, and he was still flirting with 40pts each game, and it's easier to key on 1 guy when that player has to be the main scorer and create for others have you ever played bball on any level as the guy and being gameplanned for? Jordan had poor games against the Pistons early on in career as well in those postseason matchups, but do you think any of them could guard Jordan one or one, or was it the Jordan rules that bottled him up? the same Jordan they bottled up was the same Jordan that Bird said was 'god disguised as Jordan' when he lit up that Celtics squad for like 42+ ppg and got swept that series This era also benefits 3pt shooters, so is Curry a glorified 3pt shooter because of this 3pt era? the NBA has always catered to the offensive player since the 60's when Wilt went off for 50ppg you are just making up excuses and using deflection tactics, you got stumped, get over it or don't, it's your free will choice this back n forth is boring, and you keep calling my said replies stupid, but keep matching it talking about Bron is a inefficient volume scorer, and the league only had 8 teams and Green would feud with Harden and Green punched Poole and Green airballs free throws and blah blah blah, wow i guess Jordan is a inefficient volume scorer since in 96' Finals being guarded by Payton [96' version of Iggy] he was slowed down to 20ppg head up and avg a Finals low for him with 27ppg overall
Anything 30%+ for Draymond is acceptable, that is like making 3/10, where in a couple of his seasons he shot 34 and 39%, for a non shooter as Draymond the Warriors can and have lived with that being they have Curry / Klay and once upon a time KD to take up for that slack in a major historic prolific way, while Dray and Klay and Iggy held the defensive fort down, Curry has it made in the evergreen shade, they got his front and back side security on lock In earlier post meant to say entire Warriors squad guarding / keying on Bron
Wiggins and Poole will be max players on top of what they are paying draymond, klay and curry. No other team can match the warriors overspending
Are you aware that Draymond shot 29.6% from the 3pt line last season, and defenses were encouraging him to shoot? 30% may be acceptable to you, but it shouldn't be to anyone else (except opponents).
