Christian Wood expected to get "significant trade interest"

if we want to be scientific theres no such thing as certain knowledge but imho hes something even better than a star ..... hes a rare caliber star player.. i wouldnt have traded him for a guard star of whom the league is full and saturated and easier to obtain find or develop....
hes a center shooting 3s!

such players in NBA can be listed on the fingers of one hand

of course playing for silas hes not used at his optimum but my goodness if he were to play for a good coach eg on gsw you would be singing another song and we wouldnt be having this discussion....
you would be hearing about wood every day on espn and being a certain hall of famer

 

That's what I'm suggesting. I think Wood and Sengun should be our future frontcourt. It'll just take time for them to mesh, so I'm personally fine with the slow-burn approach.

 

Hold on now. MArtin and Scola were the centerpieces of the CP3 trade that got cancelled weren't they? If you had traded K-Martin before that, that trade doesnt go down. Good players you can trade for better players. Trading good players for picks, i.e. mystery boxes, has not really worked, has it?

Superstars like Harden, you cannot really trade for better players... So you take a boatload of picks. (That's funny human psychology here, I just now realized. Teams would rather not unequivocally lose a trade by taking worse players, so they would rather take the mystery boxes, hoping they get equivalent superstar in the future..)

But a player like Wood can potentially bring a better player. Say, for some reason Tatum gets disgruntled in Boston. Wood+J.Green+ picks would be a compelling package.

 

How the hell are we going to have a chance at a franchise guy? Wood is getting interest from contenders or at least playoff teams because his value is so much greater than his contract and contenders wil no cap space need that. No rebuilding team wants him. Therefore, the picks we get back will be mid to late first round. Kind of like the Covington trade. Look back at history and tell me how many of those turn out to be franchise players.

Last year was an excellent draft year and we got so lucky with Alpi as a result. That is absolutely not the norm. We will likely get some Aaron Nesmith type players. I think people think we can get some Kuminga-type prospect. If so, trading Wood is a no brainer, but there is no way that type of pick/prospect is on the table for CWood.

 

to me this is insignificant details and a good coach would have found a clever way...the point is you keep them both YOU NEED QUALITY DEPTH if you want to win championship

i would have started sengun and stagger their minutes so they overlap only for 12 minutes a night of twin towers and depending on matchups you can play the entire game of 2 bigs

 

I don't think I ever said I was a fortune teller but I know for damn sure I didn't view Kevin Martin as a franchise player when we acquired him. IIRC most on this board didn't view him as one either so I don't know why you're being bent out of shape by my comparison of Wood to Martin. Just because I don't view either as a franchise player don't mean that they're not good. I've said it many times before that I think Wood is a borderline all-star player and I also said he should have made the all-star team last year if he didn't get hurt.

Here's a post from May making the same Kevin Martin comparison

Here's a post about 3 months ago saying Wood had a good case for an all-star selection last year

I don't think I'm insulting Wood and his fans by saying he's, at best, a 2nd or 3rd best player on a championship team. If you're taking offense to that then I'm sorry we have different opinions but I'd like to get more information on how Wood has shown he can be a legit #1 on a championship team.

 

I'm extremely concerned about his health too, but when he's healthy he makes a much bigger impact on the court.

 

Where did I make the argument that Wood for a 14th pick was something I'm for? If you're going to make claims like that at least show the receipts.

Posted last month asking what are we expecting to get back for Wood

I was on board with using Wood to acquire lottery picks prior to the draft, IIRC, but nothing was ever said by me advocating that we trade Wood for a 14th pick or something crappy like that.

 

The deal was Martin, Scola and Dragic for Pau Gasol. Lakers would have gotten CP3.

 

Trade value impacted by Turner/Sabonis being on the market now

 

indeed there are.

Just look at OKC. They can do anything they want yet it seems to an uninformed, casual observer they don’t want to try and get going towards a solid future; the can, tis continually being kicked down the road.

 

Yeah, just saw that.

But I think Wood is on a better contract than Turner, so He still has value, and We would probably get a good return.

But, looking at his play and demeanor recently, I'm starting to re-think the desire to trade him.
He finally stopped bringing the ball up and trying to playmake, and started getting into P'n'R. If he continues playing like that, and We find a way to make a Sengun-Wood duo work with running some of the offense through Alp, then We should keep Wood. I don't see a trade that gets us back something similar in production (not so much the numbers but the impact) and We have more than enough picks.

 

OK so no one is giving up a top 5 pick for Wood.
And you don't want to trade middling FRP's for Wood
But you do want to trade Wood for picks just like trading Kevin Martin for picks?

okkkaaayy..........

 

I guess I'm not understanding your question because the Rockets didn't trade Kevin Martin for picks. My comparison between Wood and Martin starts and stops with the opinion that they are fringe all-star players and shouldn't be treated like they're more than that, meaning that they are expendable if the right trade/opportunity comes along.

 

Sure I think everyone agrees with that

So if you can find equivalent value for a 6'10 PF/C that has a 7'3 wingspan that shoots over 50% from the field and 37.5% from 3 and avgd 21 pts and 11 rbds that allows you to switch everything on defense you take it. Let me know when that trade offer comes through or which draft prospect is projected to be able to give you that value. Then we will be drafting crappy centers for the next 10 years while watching CWood on some other team.

For some reason you're comparing him to an anorexic 6'7 guy that averaged 17pts in his last season with us and contributed nothing else and was a blackhole on offense and a horrible defender? Yeah people don't care if you trade guys like that for a reason. Christian Wood's skillset and contribution to the game and KMartin are literally on polar opposite spectrums

 

But Wood is still a fringe all star player despite your flowery descriptions of him…. “Allows you to switch everything defensively”. We haven’t exactly been stopping the bottom 5 teams defensively in our recent run.

Why exactly are we treating a fringe all star like a franchise player or someone you think can be a franchise player. If you think Wood can be a franchise player then just say so.

 

Seeing how you're still not comprehending why I made the Wood/Martin comparison yet again (hint: it has absolutely nothing to do with their body/frame), answer this question: what part of Christian Wood's game can be considered as elite among the PF/C crowd? What about his game screams out, *insert Leo Once Upon a Time in Hollywood meme*, "That makes him elite!"

3PT%:

Looking at this season so far, using the following criteria: height (6'10 or taller), 3PT% (35% or better), 3PA/game (at least 4), Wood ranks 8th out of 11 qualified players based on 3PT%. The only players that he's head of are Jaren Jackson, Vucevic and Kuzma. The players ahead of him are Lopez, KAT, Portis, Myles Turner, Maxi Kleber, Durant and Jokic

FG%:

Looking at this season so far, using the following criteria: height (6'10 or taller), MP/G (30 minutes or greater), FG% (45% or greater because Wood is currently sitting at 46.6% according to basketball-reference.com) Wood ranks 11th out of 13 qualified players, only ahead of Evan Mobley and Porzingis. The rest of the list that's ahead of him includes, Gobert, Jarrett Allen, Ayton, Jokic, Sabonis, Durant, Giannis, AD, Valanciunas and KAT.

"20/10":

Using his regular season averages of 16.5 ppg and 11.1 rpg, I looked up his numbers against players who average at least those figures and if we're ranking according to PPG he's 7th out of 8 qualified players, only ahead of Ayton by .2 ppg. If we're ranking based on rpg, he's tied for last with Ayton at 11.1 rpg. Among the players outranking him in ppg as well as rpg are Jokic, Valanciunas, Sabonis, Giannis, Embiid, and Jarrett Allen.

"You idiot it's easy to split up the stats! Why don't you tell me how many players in the NBA are, right now, averaging Wood's numbers (16ppg+, 11rpg+, 35% 3PT%, 46% FG% with at least 30 minutes of play)". That's easy:

Jokic, Valanciunas and Wood.

"Ha! See! He's elite!"

Well, sure I guess if you want to call it that, but he's last among those three when in comes to ppg, rpg, 3Pt%, FG%, and this doesn't include also being last in eFG%, TS%, FT%, assists per game, steals per game, etc. Also to clear it up before someone thinks I'm somehow saying this: no, I don't think Valanciunas is on Jokic's level but Wood is closer to Jonas this year than he is to Jokic but alas.....

"You're an idiot once again! The numbers put him right there next to last season's MVP!"

Sure. Once you put in enough criteria for a table/data query you can get almost any result/list you want. Looking at various metrics:

NBA.com's Player Impact Estimate (PIE): Jokic is leading the league right now with a value of 24.1, second is Giannis with 21.2. Below is the formula if you want to know how it's calculated:

PIE Formula=(PTS + FGM + FTM – FGA – FTA + Deff.REB + Off.REB/2 + AST + STL + BLK/2 – PF – TO) / (Game.PTS + Game.FGM + Game.FTM – Game.FGA – Game.FTA + Game.Deff.REB + Game.Off.REB/2 + Game.AST + Game.STL + Game.BLK/2 – Game.PF – Game.TO)

Wood, right now, has a PIE of 14.1, having him tied with Frank Kaminksy and Wendell Carter Jr.

FiveThirtyEight's RAPTOR values (more information on what that is here) :

Wood's WAR value (0.8) is currently tied for 3rd on the team with KPJ and below Tate and Sengun. Jokic, on the other hand, is leading the league with a 4.7 WAR value. Among all Power Forwards Wood's 0.8 WAR is below Richaun Holmes (.9) and ahead of Porzingis (.7). Among all Centers, he's behind Mo Bamba (.9) and ahead of Vucevic (.7)

82games.com has their own metric (Simple Rating) and Wood has a simple rating of -1.2 right now, behind Tate (-1.1) and ahead of Nwaba (-2.0). For reference, the worst two players on the team right now based on Simple Rating is Theis (-11.1) and Green (-17.4).

Based on their data using Per 48 minute calculation, the Rockets this year score 102.5 points per 100 possession with Wood on the floor and 107.3 with him off the floor, a -4.8 differential. On the defensive end, the team is giving up 111.5 points per 100 possession when Wood is on the floor and 111.6 when he's off so no difference.

So what does all of this mean and why did I spend time to pull all of this information? Just because Wood is average 16/11 on 46/35 shooting splits don't mean he's some sort of untouchable player that Houston shouldn't trade if a good chance comes up. If you tally up the rankings he has among similar players:

3PT%: 8th out of 11 players
FG%: 11th out of 13 players
"20/10" or, more correctly, 16/11: 7th out of 8 players

Offensively he's good but he's not some unicorn you're trying to make him out to be. This doesn't also factor in that Wood is probably just average on defense while other similar players (e.g. height and stats) like Embiid, Valanciunas, Jokic, Ayton, Jarrett Allen, etc. are all above average to elite defenders. There are players that positively impacts winning without sexy stats like a role player, there are players that positively impacts winning combined with sexy stats (your franchise players) and then there are players that don't help a whole lot in terms of winning but can still put up decent numbers. That last group definitely includes a lot of All-Star players all throughout NBA history and that's pretty much where Wood belongs right now, not some tier/level that makes him untouchable.

 

Those are high hopes.

Wood's first game with Rockets he put up 31 points and 13 rebounds.

First time this has happened in at least 20 years in history of the franchise.

And only Rockets legends Moses, Olajuwon and Barkley have accomplished this feat.

Do you realize that players that average 20 points and 10 rebounds are All Star caliber? In fact, Wood's first season with Rockets he averaged 21 PTS, 9.6 RBD, 37% 3P, 50% FGM.

Only TWO other players last season put up similar numbers:

Nikola Jokic and Joel Embiid.

That's it. The MVP and the MVP Finalist.

The 2 best 5's in the game.

https://spacecityscoop.com/posts/ro...-s-tweet-01fb170x1e6q/amp/3#slideshow-top-bar

20/10 and 3 AST elevate to even higher stratosphere of HOF - shoulder to shoulder with KG, Barkley, Mailman, Timmy, Russell, Wilt, Schayes, Unseld, Kareem, Lanier, Walton, etc.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/pl...ds-per-game-and-3-assists-per-game-for-career

But there is only ONE player who has a career average of at least 20 PTS, 10 RBD, 3 AST and 37% from 3P.

Larry Bird

Guess what Wood is averaging during win streak since being restored to the 5?

https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/20...making-his-presence-felt-from-beyond-the-arc/



As we all know its SIX straight wins.

And counting.

 

BIG BIG OWNAGE!

 

at the end of the day I know you are a fan of the team and want all the players to do well .

but consider this .

Tate and wood are basically the same age . Tate is in his second nba year . Tate already makes winning plays , is an incredible defender , has a growing offensive game , is great in transition , can keep the ball moving and pick up assists .

wood has been around for 5 or 6 years already .

tate > wood as they best player on our team .

right now I’d rather build around him . Plus ,
I think his max contract is lower than woods . It’d be cheaper to keep him .

If you can move wood for another forward to combo with Tate / sengun / kpj / (3 other firsts from this year ) id do that .

then you have your pick this year and assets
From the nets to add further young pieces and things that fit .

Matthews , KMJ, theis are all guys that we have flyers on and look to fit with a quick passing style .

to me , it seems like wood is the odd man out.