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If Les Alexander and Mark Cuban switched teams, would the Rockets be better?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Feb 18, 2015.

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Who would be a better owner for the Rockets?

  1. Les Alexander

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    52.7%
  2. Mark Cuban

    209 vote(s)
    41.2%
  3. Equal

    31 vote(s)
    6.1%
  1. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    We got to the Western Conference Finals with Barkley.
    Suddenly we were on TNT all the time. Barkley.
     
  2. dkim1984

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    Yo TM

    I'll give you that point if you also concede that Olajuwon and Drexler were on the team. Plus, isn't this kind of an argument in my favor if we're considering just making the WCF as a success? That means Les' player personnel decision was a good one.

    As an argument against Cuban, not even Dirk was his decision to draft. I'm unsure exactly what makes Cuban a good owner other than he's famous and gets fired up, which not every fan enjoys.
     
  3. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    You can also credit Les for changing the uniforms from classic to ugly to less ugly for the sake of money.
    Les also fired Steve Paterson, the architect of Clutch City when he became owner.

    Patterson drafted Horry, Cassell, traded for Kenny Smith and Maxwell and hired Rudy T.

    He also hit the jackpot cause the Rockets sucked so bad, we got a lottery pick in Yao Ming, which he realized that the Chinese Market thought our uniforms sucked, so he made them communist red. Then when you go Rockets game you will tons of Chinese advertisements.

    I even saw Tencent, they don't make stuff in the US.

    Steve Ballmer is a good comparison. He immediately changed the Clippers to a crappy windows font jersey when he got the team.
    He also inherited star players. Is going to make the Clippers a better experience for the fans?
     
  4. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    Were you there? You realize we needed Barkley cause we got swept by Seattle.
    Barkley was our best player, Dream and Drexler were on the decline.

    The Western Conference Finals is a success, you know the history of this team before Harden?
    you have stupid idiots thinking we could have been champions with McGrady, a guy who only played 20 playoff games for the Rockets.
    you remember the Steve Francis era?

    I knew the Rockets BEFORE LES. Charlie Thomas, the Summit.
     
  5. dkim1984

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    I'll be honest, I don't care if our uniforms are cheerleader outfits...this is about winning.

    I think those Patterson picks were great too so not sure the point you're making, but I'd respond if you wanna clarify.
     
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    No, I wasn't there, but I watched. The question also had nothing to do with past ownership/management. Rockets pre-Harden? If you've followed the league as long as you've followed the Rockets, you realize that no team can will their way into being great. So many factors are involved (taxes, market, past relationships, coaching styles, team/city culture, weather, family) so Morey has done a good job of working around those constraints, but Morey isn't influential unless Alexander unleashes him.
     
  7. tinman

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    Winning is not the main job of the owner. Ask the CEO of your company of what his job is.
    It's making decisions for the fans and organization and making money.
    Patterson's pick directly led to championships.

    Ask the Oakland Raiders fans if they like their owner. They are a WINNING now.
     
  8. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    Dude, I'm old. Let's get this out of the way. I've followed the league since the 80s.
    The internet is tricky when you have much younger people telling you stuff while you actually lived it.
     
  9. napalm06

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    An owner and CEO aren't the same though. The owner is employed by no one. His job is whatever he feels like.
     
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    Donald Sterling was an owner, what the hell happened to him?
    What about the owner of a franchise of McDonalds?
     
  11. dkim1984

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    You think it's just coincidental that Raiders are getting better without Al Davis (RIP)?

    Also, hey man, more power to you on being a lifetime fan. Lord knows I was one of few that stayed loyal to the Rox during that rough first decade to the 2000s, but youth and internet knowledge (when properly researched) are not inferior.

    Anyways, TM. I'm just declaring it now as the Q has asked, Les > Cuban.

    If you're arguing the opposite, then you're welcome to counter, but other than that this is just a historian's pissing contest. And I've got other things to do.

    Also, it is in fact the owner's duty to win in competition. Whether or not other owner's act accordingly is not a reflection on the position but on the owner who is, in some regard, then stealing from the fans with a product he never intends to be superior.
     
  12. tinman

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    The Raiders are moving to Vegas and the Oakland fans are angry.
    My point is the owners job is not just winning.

    I'm not saying being young is a detriment, I'm saying when you get old and the new Rockets owner has these beautiful new jerseys, 10 championships, and easily assessable tickets for the city of Houston. You'll be in my position.

    And you could tell them, you are right, David Hardisty is a much better owner than Les Alexander.
     
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    No, it's not an owner's sole responsibility to win, but it's likely the majority of it. Economically speaking, unless you're LA, you can't ask people to pay for something that doesn't pursue winning to the ultimate spot.

    Look, you may not like Les, but that's purely subjective and out of the Qs scope. So, your argument seems to have evolved into: Les is worse than previous owners due to subjective aspects (ticket pricing/availability and jerseys), therefore the argument that Les > Cuban doesn't hold. Houston has changed a lot since Patterson...arenas can only get so big as they compete for popular land with other industries that bring far more economic growth to Houston than sports. Those ticket complaints are just a function of a growing city. Why are you blaming that on Les?
     
  14. tinman

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    Dude I was here when the Toyota Center was built.

    You want to know more history before you argue with me like I know nothing about Houston?
    You want me to drop some history for you?
    You know Les wanted to move the team to Kentucky?

    http://www.clutchfans.net/news/164/save_our_rockets_louisville_courting_rockets_comets/

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    KRIV, citing unidentified sources, is reporting that Louisville is courting the Rockets, Comets and Thunderbears. Louisville officials have called Rockets management to let the team know of their interest in bringing all three franchises to their city. The Rockets did not say much, but CEO George Postolos did say they are fielding offers and "We have received a number of inquiries and we will respond to those. We don't intend to comment beyond that." SaveOurRockets.com had another incredible day as we have been contacting hundreds who wrote in, and some big, big things are in the future. Jeff Balke will be on Lance and John's "The Bench" show at 7:25am Wednesday on 610 to talk more about the movement.


    You see all those people wearing Throwback Rockets jerseys? It's not because they were fans back then, it's because the current uniforms are ugly.
     
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    Seems to me that Rox were playing an inactive role. That article reads as though we were just allowing people the time to give us offers. Any businessman would do that. Ultimately, they didn't leave.

    Anyways, this has apparently become personal. I never was criticizing your historical knowledge. I was just giving you rationale counterarguments. So, I'm just going to leave this one alone as I'm sure the entertainment factor for all of the viewing CF peeps has now disappeared as this has become something more than an informative discussion.
     
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    I agree with that assessment but I am not sure Les and Morey are the greatest duo.

    They are second tier good and with MDA they found a very good partner. But that is hardly a dynasty.

    They are built like a lesser GSW team with more 3 pt shooting.

    And it took Les 20 years to get back to the WCF. It is still not perfect.

    You could say 70 percent of other NBA teams got it worse.

    But hey, there is always the upper echelon of contenders year in year out.

    They are very close but they have to be careful not to sink down to mediocrity again after Harden leaves the game.
     
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    Not the greatest duo? Yea, I'd agree with you there. But those two have done a lot with the circumstances. We're just not a hot player's market :(

    Hopefully now we're a hot potential contender market so we can get some of those vet-seeking-rings discounts now!
     
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    You realize that the Oilers left Houston and the threat of the Rockets leaving was real.
    Sorry I can't capture how the atmosphere of how it was then for you.

    Clutch created SaveourRockets.com to get the city to back a new arena.

    here's the thread I made documenting this.

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/rockets-history-rockets-relocation-to-louisville.226438/


    also getting back to Barkley, why was he saying that the Rockets owned him money? He played for the Suns and Sixers too. Never said that about them.
     
  19. Air Langhi

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    The Mavs had lower playoff ticket prices so screw Les.
     
  20. tinman

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    I've been waiting for a Rockets championships since they won back to back. That's in 1995.
    Barkley took us to the Conference Finals in 1997

    the Harden took us to the conference Finals in 2015

    you see this time gap?
    Skynet can find John Connor, but they can't find any playoff success before Harden.
     

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