When did Germany turn so beta? Criminal inquiry into comedian's joke about Erdogan

Huh? Germany doesn't have free speech.

 

I am tired of Merkel. I have friends who defend her, but I want her gone.

Also, that old law is stupid.

And Erdogan is a goat ****er. Ha...come at me, Erdogan.

 

Free speech rights aren't absolute anywhere. In particular, we have restrictions in case of defamation, obscenity, causing panic, etc.

I can see the logic, at least, in prohibiting people from publicly insulting foreign leaders. It could have national security implications in cases like this where the foreign leader or his peoples are thin-skinned.

 

So people's speech should be limited because foreign oppressors get offended? Being critical of your own leaders in your countries can have negative implications as well, should it then be controlled?

I'm not sure that's sound logic. What can Erdogan do if Germany says "sorry, we don't care that you're offended"?

This criminal investigation is ridiculous. Erdogan's time is up, and everyone should be weary of letting him fester and bring down an otherwise great, developed, progressive country. Him and his peeps are ****ting on everything the Turkish have painstakingly built.

 

Merkel needs to go.

Erdogan needs to go.

I am surprised that Merkel still has support in Germany.

Erdogan is just a bad guy.

 

so much white guilt

 

Being critical is different from openly taunting someone.

And I'm not saying I support the law, either. But its not apparent to me that it's fundamentally all that different from the restrictions we already have in place on free speech.

 

I understand what you're saying, but I do think that it is substantially different than the majority of restrictions currently in place, and those restrictions are excessive too.

The problem with these restrictions is that their value disappears once the person protected by it starts using against it in reverse. What happens when Erdogan starts taunting Germans? Is Erdogan going to legally demand restraint from people supporting his opinion?

In Erdogan's particular case, he has an unreasonable expectation of not being criticized, that is incredibly apparent in his treatment of journalists and political opponents.

Perhaps one side of this argument that's alien to those living in countries with more progressive protections is: sometimes, the people of a country need their neighbours and other foreign citizens to come to their assistance, in areas where they are oppressed. If Erdogan is appeased, we may find Turkey living in a state of being even MORE incapable of being critical of him. You will find that the huge majority of Turkish people are cheering for this video, and are inspired by it - as long as it is not produced or created by the State. You might find, that this kind of thing engenders stronger relations between Turkish people and German people on a human level, which has tremendous intangible value. It's a relationship that has been under assault by Erdogan, his peeps as well as to a lesser extent Merkel and SEVERAL influential people in the German government.

IMO this action has not impeded anyone else's freedom, it would be a dangerous standard to set for speech. IMO it's not equivalent to restrictions related to mass panic. It is similar to restrictions related to obscenity, which are antiquated restrictions that are rarely enforced anyway.

 

Germany has always had stronger laws on speech than America. Most countries do. Try denying the Holocaust and see what happens to you there.

I did LOL at the beta-calling in the title. Those betas and their different legal reasoning.

 

Bit of a mess she's brought upon herself.

 

Will someone call Germany's parents and tell them they are getting bullied at school by the kids in the special ed class?

 

I, personally, am all for the creation of Jesus and Mohammed cartoons.

"The Cult Leader and the Slave Trader".

"Superbad, Part 2"

"What happens in San Francisco stays in San Francisco?"

I'd donate money for each to be made.

I guess that is the difference between Alpha America and Beta Germania.

 

How you turned a potentially interesting topic into The Game by Neil Strauss.

Don't act so uppity though, it's all in good fun

 

Wow terrible. This is a idiotic law.

 

Once again trying to act as if two different things are the same.

 

what? one is a cult leader and the other is a slave trader. Those are two different things.

But this is off-topic--to stay on topic: when did Germany turn so beta?

 

It's specifically a law about insulting a foreign leader.