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**** YOU BOB MCNAIR

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Butterfingers, Dec 4, 2011.

  1. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Contributing Member

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    Great, so please explain how it is "not exactly NFL level" when it is being using in the NFL.
    6 teams use Fieldturf. The brand you listed is what you called subpar. Thoughts?
     
  2. DonkeyMagic

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    Totally. This billionaire is obviously counting on the couple hundred K a year to keep his diabolical operation afloat.

    I'm not particularly a fan of the grass quality either but come on man, what you are saying makes no sense
     
  3. leroy

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    Because the teams don't know s*** about turf. They only know when they're getting something for free.

    6 teams got free turf. New England is a perfect example. I was heavily involved in the bidding for the new field in Gillette Stadium. It was down to us and Field Turf. FieldTurf offered the field for free and another one in 3 years. Despite all of the side-by-side testing that was provided by independent labs showing our turf to be superior in just about every way, they went with the one that was free.

    This is also FieldTurf at CenturyLink in Seattle...

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    Do you see the lines that go across the width of the field? Those are not supposed to be there. This field is considered one of the worst in the industry and an embarrassment. No one that wasn't involved in it has any idea how FieldTurf let this field be installed. In the plant I was in, this field would have been rejected on the spot.
     
  4. Bandwagoner

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    That makes sense to me, but you seem to be contradicting yourself. Not NFL level and then NFL is crap. But back to the original question, in what way is the turf Reliant already has not NFL level? It is being used in the NFL, it cost over a million and you are of the opinion it is better than 6 other teams turf.
     
  5. Nick

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    Still waiting for the comparison of frequency of injuries on Reliant's turf vs. other grass fields vs. field-turf fields.

    IMO, field-turf (while better than astro-turf) is still putting players at increased risk of injury vs. grass.

    Hell, half the fields up north (green bay, pittsburgh, chicago, cleveland) have grass fields that are either shredded/dead/frozen by December (especially Pittsburgh, who's stadium gets college games on saturday).
     
  6. Bandwagoner

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    It is based on bill b. doing a grumpy radio interview late one night about welker and nothing else. People take his word as gospel. He wouldn't even address it the next day at the press conference, he was probably drunk.
     
  7. Nick

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    Agreed... that being said, since this field is not going away, they need to do a better job of smoothing/hiding/covering up the seams/holes/divets to not give people a reason to question it (even if it isn't increasing any injury rates).
     
  8. leroy

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    That's simply incorrect. Injuries are not more on synthetic. This is one of the better independent studies I've seen...

    http://www.scienceofsocceronline.com/2013/06/injury-risk-artificial-turf-vs-natural.html.

    The field that is in the stadium does not have the markings for an NFL field. You can't go back and change that. They're going to need a separate field (like Jerry World has)...one for college/high school, one for the Texans. Jerry World actually has a 3rd field that has no markings on it for soccer and other events.

    Technically, there is no "NFL-level". The NFL has never gotten involved in development like FIFA. FIFA has a very stringent program for fields to be considered FIFA 1-star or FIFA 2-star (professional level). The NFL doesn't give a s***. There's no real governing body for football like in soccer.
     
  9. Summer Song Giver

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    My guess is the commish (owners) told him to put a sock in it.
     
  10. leroy

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    Also, fields in Pittsburgh and Green Bay are actually now hybrids of synthetic and natural.
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    It's also based on the young promising punter that lost his career to the seam monster in Houston and the first overall pick in this year's draft who had to have surgery today due to the seam monster. The punter is suing over the awful field conditions and rightfully so. Unless you are a groundskeeper that will be out of a job, I can't see why anyone would want to stick with the awful system they have now.
     
  12. Bandwagoner

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    The punter that was busted a week later for PEDs and then cut? The Clowney story is coming second hand from DJ Swag of all people. Just because the injury was non contact doesn't mean it was from the turf.
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    The punter's knee was shredded by a seam in the turf, the "PED" bust for prescription Adderall isn't why his career was over and is irrelevant to this conversation. We do know that seams in the turf system cause serious knee injuries, it's not just a conspiracy.
     
  14. jev5555

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    The solution to the problem is to go from 8x8 squares to 16x16. Removes 50% of the seams. Problem solved.
     
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    Am I the only one that likes the trays? If the players can anticipate seem shifts then thegfield gives s home field advantage. Also bigger trays would solve the problem of them shifting so easily. Only problem is moving them in and out to be watered and get sunlight, maybe two forklifts at a time
     
  16. Dubious

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    from 2011, still true

     
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    I don't believe Clowney. I think he is just making up a story. He keeps getting injured, and he doesn't want to admit that he is just injury prone.
     
  18. SuraGotMadHops

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    Hartmann's lawsuit is set for trial in December. If it was a BS case, it would've been thrown out in summary judgment a long time ago. The seam problem is real folks.

    Just the fact that it might have caused Clowney's injury is enough cause to change over to something else.
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    That sounds a whole lot like someone who just doesn't want to let go of a preconceived idea. Confirmation bias is hard to overcome for some.
     
  20. Summer Song Giver

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    Every year the "seams" get someone, just roll out the synthetic and be done with it.
     

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