Yemen government routed by Iranian-backed group, Saudi attacks; clueless Obama humiliated

If Obama atherized a use of military forces. Or if Turkey or Jordan allowed Saudis to use their borders, 1/2 million people would've need to die, 4 millions people would've need to become shattered refuges .

 

Your rhetoric of his infallibility definitely suggests otherwise.

 

ISIS's ideology is a product of core inherent elements of Islam. ISIS's spread and monopoly of force in certain regions is a result of the power vacuum the U.S. invasion caused.

 

Well not caused by the invasion, caused by the abandonment of the region prematurely....you know, pretty much exactly what I said would happen when I was arguing against pulling all of our troops out of the region.

 

Prematurely? Oh you mean the status of forces agreement signed in 2007?

Two critical reasons why ISIS just walked into Iraq with little to no contention.

1. The initial invasion.
2. The dismantlement of the relatively secular Baath party and it's military which was the only experienced entity in governance in the region.

Bush signed an agreement with another sovereign state who's regime WE put forth. The new Iraqi regime is sovereign whether we like it or not and when the Iraqi president denied Obama's request(that's right... Obama actually urged the Iraqi prime minister to extend troops past 2011 in Iraq), Obama had no say in the matter. Imagine the backlash if we violated that 2007 agreement. Essentially we would be forcing our troops upon the Iraqi regime we created, thus going against their will and dismantling another regime since it would essentially be ANOTHER invasion... going full circle. What a waste of time that would have been.

This however means that Obama was being disingenuous when he said he was responsible for the end of the Iraq war, something you and I probably would agree with which ironically would expose your cognitive dissonance.

 

Who cares who's fault it is? Was it Bush's fault for signing the agreement or Obama's fault for just blindly going along with Bush's policies? Point is that what happened was really predictable yet we caused it to happen anyway. If we still had troops in Iraq, the region would be more stable and ISIS would have never been a serious thing. Since we pulled out prematurely, we'll inevitably have to go back.

Who is more foolish, the fool or the fool that goes along with the fool?

 

Also, violating the agreement of 2007 would have been better than the path we went down. A better path would have been if we had made the Iraqis change their mind and accept US troops to provide stability....but we'd have to have a more competent president for that I suppose.

 

Now it doesn't matter... BTW, like I said before Obama had no say in the matter. It was Iraq's decision whether an extension would be allowed(which Obama requested).

 

"change their minds". Obama tried. Please tell me what other avenues he could of attempted? The only other option would have been force against the regime's (WE PUT IN PLACE) will which essentially would have been another invasion. It would mean admitting the decade long work of installing the new regime that resulted in the deaths of thousands on both sides was a futile attempt.

 

It never mattered whose fault it was, I argued against the policy from the beginning and given that Obama ran on pulling all the troops out of Iraq and celebrated it as a personal accomplishment it makes one wonder just how hard he "tried"

Also when you say that the US simply refusing to leave would have resulted in the deaths of "thousands"....that happened anyway. Plus, there's no way that the Iraqi government would have refused if they knew that we were going to stay no matter what. We got a half hearted attempt from a president that campaigned on leaving Iraq and then he celebrated that failure as a success....then now we're blaming others.

 

Jesus ****in christ. You state you don't care who is blamed yet you still consistently put all the blame on a president who had no ****ing say on the matter? Are you that ****ing dense? And you have a reading comprehension problem? I stated that thousands died AS A RESULT OF INSTALLING THE CURRENT REGIME and removal of that regime because they aren't complying with our demands to break the status of forces agreement would admit failure and deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis would have been in vein.

 

It doesn't matter whose fault it is as long as you blame Obama.

Got it.

 

He did have a say, the initial agreement was signed in 2007 but Obama had a lot of time to undo it if that's really what he wanted to do. Given that he campaigned on withdrawing from Iraq and celebrated it as a personal accomplishment, it's pretty clear that he wasn't really fighting hard to stay.

Thousands have died as a result of the US leaving Iraq prematurely and leaving too soon guaranteed that every US soldier, marine, sailor, and airman that died in Iraq did so in vein. Because we left too soon, we WILL be back, it's just a matter of time.

 

I know the Obama defense corps is strong on these boards but are you really suggesting that giving the person to took personal credit for an action partial blame for that action is wrong? LOL, crazy kids these days.

 

I am just reacting to the crap you post.

 

Let me just for a second hypothetically agree with your asinine notion that "Obama's decision" to 'prematurely' leave Iraq was the main cog in having ISIS spread uncontested into Iraq.

That would be akin to me saying that the repercussions of the BP oil spill wasn't BP's fault but the clean up crew's incompetence.

 

Here's a crazy idea: maybe we should've never been there to begin with.

 

No doubt, you saw that I gave partial blame to something Obama took credit for doing and you jumped into action to defend him. It's a common occurrence here. Both Bush and Obama are to blame for the premature withdrawal from Iraq.....yet some want to credit Obama for it and at the same time blame Bush for it.

 

The invasion of Iraq was absolutely the right decision, pulling out too soon was what made it a disaster. Removing Saddam and cleaning out the chemical and biological WMD's in Iraq was absolutely the right thing to do....unfortunately the US doesn't have the attention span to do anything properly anymore.

 

"Obama defense corps"? Really? Liberals on this board have actual criticisms of Obama. I even stated that Obama was disingenuous when he celebrated the end of the Iraq War as his doing.

There is a GIANT gap between legitimate criticism of the president and your right wing rhetoric that the essence of America is being destroyed and Obama is a terrorist sympathizer who caused ISIS and is 'soft' on them because he is against American Imperialism (**** you Dinesh D'Souza) and did I forget he was born in Kenya to radical extremists? Oh and he is a socialist... Oh and he hates America(**** you Rudy Giuliani).