I wasn't trying to say that the size of the house justified it. I was asking why would you sacrifice going through all of this... when a 750k house in California probably isn't even that wonderful... seems like people would just hold off a couple months and they can buy a lot better house than that as rich as he will be.. If you read my first post, I find this to be unacceptable.. and I am against any form of cheating in college athletics... I've been critical of college athletics at UT in the past.. and I will continue to be critical of any players known to be breaking NCAA rules (including Bush if this is true)
I should say I've been critical of UT for other things within their athletic program.. I don't know of any recent cases where they've had an incident such as this... Even if a lot of people do this, I still think it is bad.
I heard that this morning...It would be silly to think this kind of stuff doesn't go on, but it still is a violation...Does it matter if Reggie new, probably, but no team is going to take that against him as he can say it was his family that did this and not him...Hard to believe, but that will be the line...
This will have very little if any impact on Reggie Bush in the draft. It probably will have an effect on USC but unless they find proof that someone at USC actually brokered the deal and not a guy that wanted to start a business with a casino background. My best guess is that unless someone at USC was involved then the only thing to come of it will be that Bush will be declared ineligible, and the records of last season will be adjusted accordingly. I'm not sure of the Heisman recall. Is it an official NCAA award or from a seperate entity like the AP or some other org? If it isn't directly from the NCAA then the orginization in charge of awarding it would have to take it back. I'm not saying the situation is not a big deal. anytime you have something like this in "Amateur" Athletics it's a problem. But this would have been a much bigger deal if it had been revealed in during the season.
YOu're probably right. On the other hand, I bet if Vince Young was the one with the big-agent house and his family living in it - there would immediately be rumors, unnammed scouts, and the like murmuring via profootball talk and ESPN and other sites about his "poor judgment" "bad decisionmaking", not to mention the howls of protest that would erupt on this BBS.
could you imagine what a certain ut hater on this board would have said. embarrassment, criminal, thug, etc.
I fashion myself to be an unbiased observer. I don't love or hate UT. And I also, have no love or hate for USC. Saying this I would agree with you 100% about this board and what VY haters would say had it been him. But from my standpoint both sides do the same thing. It only took 3 posts in this thread before one of the VYOF jumped in to pile on. My point is it goes both ways(and has from the start). Personally, from a moderator standpoint, I'm really looking forward to Saturday. At that point I can start locking, deleting, moving threads about anyone the Texans don't draft .
Good post. I think that there are a lot of people who, unfairly, hammer VY to death, but the same is true for Bush at times as well. I'll be glad when the draft is over so we can stop arguing about who we should draft.
I'm not a Bush hater. I think he's going to be great. I'm not a VYOF. I think he will take a year to develop. I simply believe that at the end of their careers, VY will have played longer and produced more wins and championships than RB will produce. I think that VY will become the premier player out of this draft with Bush being the 2nd best player out of this draft and probably one of the top 2 or 3 running back in the league over the next 10 years. There is no question in my mind that Bush is going to be terrific. Vince is going to be more than awesome.
Bush attorney: Reggie had no knowledge of house deal USC asks Pac-10 to eye Bush family, house report ESPN.com news services LOS ANGELES -- The Pac-10 said Sunday it will investigate the reported connection between a home where Reggie Bush's family lived and a man who sought to market the Southern California star tailback. The Web site reported that the family moved out of the house this weekend after questions over its ownership arose. Reporters from several news organizations visited the house on Thursday. On Monday, David Cornwell, the attorney who represents Reggie Bush's family, told ESPN's Joe Schad that Reggie Bush had no knowledge of the "lease" agreement between his parents and San Diego businessman Michael Michaels, who owned the home the Bush family lived in. "At this point, I'm not going to get into the particulars of the transactions between the family and Mr. Michaels," Cornwell said. "It is inapppropriate to presume that the Griffins did anything wrong." Bush, the 2005 Heisman Trophy winner, chose to turn pro after his junior season with USC. He is expected to be the No. 1 pick in Saturday's NFL draft. "Rather than jumping to conclusions, we need to determine the facts before commenting on this report,'' USC athletic director Mike Garrett said in a statement on Sunday. "We have asked the Pac-10 to look into this.'' Pac-10 spokesman Jim Muldoon confirmed to The Associated Press that an investigation will be held at the school's request, but had no further details. Cornwell said Bush's parents will "cooperate fully" with any inquiry from the Pac-10 or NCAA. Cornwell also suggested there is a logical explanation for the arrangement. Members of Bush's camp are also expected to argue that the NCAA rules legislating "extra benefits" are not applicable in this case, because Michaels was not involved in the marketing of Bush. At issue is the San Diego-area home's connection with Michaels, who reportedly attempted to steer Bush toward signing with San Diego agent David Caravantes, and sought to handle Bush's marketing with a new firm he had founded. "They were trying to get me in front of [Bush] during the interview process, which I was never a part of," Caravantes said in an interview published in the San Diego Union-Tribune. "They didn't try to recruit him for me. They thought it would be a good idea to have everything in San Diego. I think their concept was that they were going to deal with marketing, and they [needed] an agent ... "If things worked out, we were going to try to put something together [to become business partners]. But everything was in waiting to see if they landed [Bush] to do the marketing. Nothing came of it." State records showed construction was completed on the home in early 2005 and Michaels purchased it for $757,500 in late March, Yahoo reported. Neighbors told Yahoo that Bush's mother Denise Griffin, stepfather LaMar Griffin and brother Jovan Griffin moved into the home shortly after that. NCAA rules prohibit student-athletes and their families from receiving extra benefits from agents or their representatives. It can be a violation even if Bush had no knowledge of the transaction. The Union-Tribune said it is unclear what rent Bush's mother and stepfather paid during their time in the house. If it is less than market value, the NCAA could consider that a violation, the newspaper said. Bush eventually signed with a different agent and marketing firm. "This time of year, falsely or unfalsely, this is the stuff that comes up," Mike Ornstein, one of Bush's current representatives, told the Union-Tribune. "It's a bunch of BS." http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2419079
True enough. My larger point is that certain players (especially if they're quarterbacks, and especially if they are Vince Young) are magnets for criticism for whatever reason, whereas a guy like Bush would barely be affected. My primary focus wasn't so much about the way ClutchFans the BBS would react, but how CBS Sportsline, ESPN.com, and all the assorted draft-hype-whatever websites & parasites would probably attach themselves to the story and start to create some "rumors" about Young's judgment, implying that he'll make the wrong read on a pass play because of this, but nobody would say that Bush would blow a route or assignment.
Basically said they have done nothing wrong and at the end of the day, people will know they have done nothing wrong. When asked about who made the payments on the house, Bush laughed and said he doesn't want to get into any details (which I found strange). Either your family made the payments or they didn't. When asked about his relationship with w/ Micheal Micheals, he said he doesn't want to get into any details. They asked why they moved out the day after the story broke, he said they've been looking at houses for a couple months and they found one. Basically, you heard everything his agent/rep wanted him to say. There were no definite answers nor should he have been forced to give any.
