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[WSJ] Cuomo’s Covid Chutzpah

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Jun 26, 2020.

  1. dobro1229

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    If the marchers were not wearing masks then yes they were ignorant.

    Cuomo didn’t fail. WE ALL FAILED. As a country this has been a disaster of epic proportions. Cuomo doesn’t get a pass, and Abbott sure as hell doesn’t get a pass. Abbott knew better too with a much longer timeframe between patient zero in the US and large community spread in Texas after the re-openings. But he kept talking out both sides of his mouth because of dumb ass politics around things like mask wearing that I’m sure you were also political about just weeks ago.

    People in this country on the right and some on the left need to wake the F up. I’m sick of the need to make a GD virus political. If you think I’m alone go look at what happened to Trumps approval rating since he decided to make Covid political and act like Covid is only about him. Covid is f-ing with all of our lives.

    Stop acting like petulant children. Stop taking your cues from the most petulant child of them all in the Oval Office and wake up and stop being a dick.
     
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    The mask message hasnt trickled down to the repug base.
    Repugs are following their leader and not wearing one.

    My sister in law is in town from indiana shes a trumper and pence person.
    Yesterday wife and sister in law was with my 12 year old daughter at store and my daughter mask slipped down and wasnt fitting right. Sister in law was trying to convince my daughter "yeah you don't need the mask take it off" ... She keeps getting mad to have to wear mask and my wife has had to cater to her sensitivity when she is the one not being courteous. My wife gave her a mask she didnt even bring one with her. She is using the word "hoax" these people are real and if you didnt think words and actions matter from their leader or not and that trump is always just"joking" when still no mask talk from trump.

    Some repugs that respect courtesy to the moment and science while we go through this ..those repugs are either not loud enough or too late.
     
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    What % of those 60,000 George Floyd marchers in Houston do you think were Republicans? I would estimate <5%. Why aren't they respecting social distancing? Many weren't wearing masks, either. Harris county shows the highest case counts in Texas. Yet you blame it on "repugs". Your bias is clear for all to see.
     
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  4. Os Trigonum

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    Cuomo should be in prison for killing a substantial portion of the nursing home population and then creating mass fear for the rest of the country, resulting in millions of unemployed people.

    Almost ALL of the COVID problem is linked to Democrat-governed cities. Almost all of it. And these people have the nerve to taunt Republican governors? Completely backwards!
     
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    You can also say that same thing about violence in cities and lack of inner city education. They all have one thing in common.

    Bob Woodson, who is the founder of the Woodson center and was actually with MLK during the civil rights movement says the same things. Hell even the BLM Shaun King agrees!
     
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    The emphasis should have been to manufacture all day comfortable masks and distribute to the entire country and make safety practice courses mandatory with criminal penalties without compliance. This virus could have been eliminated in one month or less. All this would have been more beneficial than stimulus checks.
     
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    Is this the "but her emails" of COVID? The thing is, everybody made mistakes on COVID, especially at the beginning when agencies were scrambling and less data was known. Now, for the people who continue to ignore evidence and science months into this and risking their hospital system getting overrun...
     
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    plus if protesting was the determining factor for all the recent spikes and not the premature reopenings, how have places like NYC, Chicago, Minneapolis that have had HUGE ongoing protest continue their downward trends.

    Its also pretty disingenuous to compare NYC to any city in the country when NYC has one of the most elaborate, if not the most elaborate public transportation system in the world and the only city that runs a 24 hour train cycle.
     
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    So it's just the cities how about the Republican led states?
     
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    It is what it is. I just posted it for you to decide. If you had a loved one in one of NY's assisted living homes that was stricken because of Cuomo's decision, my guess is that you'd be pretty hot about the decision. He had a hospital ship waiting and it was never utilized. I think the criticism is warranted.
     
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    Oops.

    Your slipping up.
     
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    Margraves?
     
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    ?
     
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    "Interstate Travel Restrictions Are Just Political Posturing":

    https://reason.com/2020/06/29/interstate-travel-restrictions-are-just-political-posturing/

    excerpt:

    Legally, the status of domestic travel restrictions is a little vague. Americans enjoy protection for wide-ranging freedom of movement under the Constitution. That said, "courts have typically upheld [quarantines and travel bans] in deference to the states' broad powers to protect public health," according to Northeastern University's Wendy Parmet and Dr. Michael S. Sinha of the Harvard-MIT Center for Regulatory Science in the New England Journal of Medicine.

    Legal or not, "these old tools are usually of limited utility for highly transmissible diseases, and if imposed with too heavy a hand, or in too haphazard a manner, they can be counterproductive," warn Parmet and Sinha.

    So, with COVID-19 well-established across the U.S., travel restrictions are expected to be something between ineffective and counterproductive, though probably resistant to legal challenge. What's the case for them, then?

    Finger-pointing at other states, quarantine mandates, and threats of penalties make more sense if you toss away all of the medical language and view them in the context of political theater. It's always tempting for government officials befuddled by a crisis and busily making it worse to deflect attention from their own failings by pointing to external enemies. In an increasingly fractious time, those enemies can be found within the borders of the same country, residing in another state, and perhaps affiliated with an opposing political faction.

    We saw northeastern governors screaming in March about travel restrictions imposed by other states, only to turn around months later and impose quarantine orders on travelers from many of the same jurisdictions. It gets even sillier when you remember that New York's health commissioner, Howard Zucker, vowed on March 25 that "I would not follow" quarantine directives aimed at residents of his state. Now Zucker's department administers his own state's quarantine order.

    Connecticut, New Jersey, and New York, the Democrat-led states issuing the current travel restrictions, were at the center of the "multi-state council" announced in April to establish pandemic policy independent of the Republican Trump administration. Most of the states targeted in the joint travel advisory are Republican-led and had earlier targeted the northeastern states with their own quarantine orders (though Rhode Island which fired the initial salvo against New York has a Democratic governor who, returning to the fold, later joined the multi-state council).

    This is less about public health than it is about political warfare. And the major victims of this warfare are, as always, regular people who have little say in policymaking and are just trying to muddle as best they can through a very difficult time.
    more at the link
     
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  19. Os Trigonum

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    good article on Cuomo and covid:

    https://thebulwark.com/caesar-on-the-hudson/

    Caesar on the Hudson
    No, Andrew Cuomo didn't handle COVID-19 well.
    by NOAH ROTHMAN

    AUGUST 4, 2020 5:11 AM

    Did Andrew Cuomo and New York state really get the response to COVID-19 right?

    To judge from the almost universal acclaim in which the governor basks, he must have.

    Cuomo had emerged “America’s governor,” according to U.S. News & World Report, with his “take-charge attitude” and “comforting manner.” His daily briefings, which the New York Times described as reliably “articulate, consistent and often tinged with empathy,” had become “must-see television.” “Sometimes the crisis makes the leader,” the Wall Street Journal‘s glowing April profile of the governor read.

    But while Cuomo may have handled the intangibles—his attitude and manner and empathy—it’s not clear his handling of the crisis deserves the praise it has received.
    more at the link
     
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    I am sure there is a lot to criticize, but it seems one-sides not to juxtapose this with what's happening today: https://nypost.com/2020/08/03/ny-hits-record-new-low-for-coronavirus-hospitalizations/

    Clearly they are doing something right.

    Also the article claims 32K NYers died, but the number reported by the post (a conservative paper) is only 25K. Exaggeration certainly doesn't help with the credibility of the opinion piece.
     
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