Would you do this trade with Orlando (no rumour, just a wish...)?

Houston trades: 23rd Overall Pick $0 to Orlando
Houston trades: Walt Williams $4,500,000 to Orlando
Houston trades: 18th Overall Pick $0 to Orlando
Houston trades: 13th Overall Pick $0 to Orlando
Houston trades: Kelvin Cato $5,400,000 to Orlando (BYC Value $2,700,000)
TOTAL: $9,900,000


Orlando trades: 31st Overall Pick $0 to Houston
Orlando trades: Pat Garrity $1,019,280 to Houston
Orlando trades: Michael Doleac $1,452,000 to Houston
Orlando trades: Mike Miller $2,320,080 to Houston
Orlando trades: Bo Outlaw $4,500,000 to Houston
TOTAL: $9,291,360






TRADE ACCEPTED

There were BYC players involved in this trade, so this trade is subject to the BYC provisions of the CBA. Due to Houston and Orlando being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Houston and Orlando had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out unless trade exceptions were used for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Houston had to use $1,019,280 of their $1,282,600 trade exception in order for this trade to go through. Houston has $263,320 left of their previous trade exception to use in another trade.


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I'd do it in a second, just to get rid of Walt and Cato...too bad I cannot see too many reasons for Orlando to do it...maybe if we throw in our first round picks for the next two years or something like that...I would even do that, since all these guys we would get are really young and under contract for a relatively long time (would give stability). Then we would still have to trade Carlos Rogers somehow and get a mean veteran defensive stopper that doesn't need many shots at the SG/SF position.

IMO, we would have an excellent roster...the guards would create the offense and at the PF/C, you would have some nice defenders/shot blockers in Hakeem and Bo. Plus, with ROY Miller, you would have a serious 3-point threat as well.

PG: Francis, Moochie
SG: Mobley, Garrity (I know he is listed as a F, but I would see him as a 3-point specialist that could be put at the backup SG position against slower guards)
SF: M. Miller, Langhi, Bullard
PF: Mo Taylor (resigned), Outlaw, K. Thomas
C: Hakeem (resigned), Doleac (6 fouls), Collier (6 fouls), 31st pick (some really huge guy = 6 fouls) (you would have 18 fouls at C against Shaq and Duncan, the free-throw kings)

Probably my ideas don't work cap-wise?? One problem I would see is obviously the C position once Hakeem would resign. But we would have that problem anyway...

Oh well, just speculating...can't wait for the start of the season...of course this is all just if we cannot get Webber...if there was a way to do that trade AND get Webber (instead of resigning Mo)...and then resign Hakeem for a low amount...that would be even better...then we would have a starting five of Francis, Mobley, M. Miller, Webber, Hakeem...that would be fantastic...

[This message has been edited by Det The Threat (edited June 24, 2001).]

 

Ok, this is what happens when I decide to kill time although I would have tons of work to do...another useless trade idea - this one is extremely complicated, but I actually think it would make sense to all parties involved. I just want something to happen and the Rockets to make a bold move that pushes them over the top.


Houston trades:
18th Overall Pick
$0
to Chicago

Houston trades:
23rd Overall Pick
$0
to Chicago

Houston trades:
13th Overall Pick
$0
to Chicago

Houston trades:
Kelvin Cato
$5,400,000
to Chicago
(BYC Value $2,700,000)
Houston trades:
Carlos Rogers
$2,200,000
to Seattle

Houston trades:
Walt Williams
$4,500,000
to Orlando

Houston trades:
Cash Considerations of
$3,000,000
to Seattle

TOTAL:

$12,100,000




Chicago trades:
4th Overall Pick
$0
to Orlando

Chicago trades:
29th Overall Pick
$0
to Orlando

Chicago trades:
Ron Artest
$1,160,760
to Seattle

Chicago trades:
Jamal Crawford
$1,762,320
to Seattle

Chicago trades:
Marcus Fizer
$2,562,000
to Orlando

Chicago trades:
Elton Brand
$3,629,160
to Seattle

Chicago trades:
Brad Miller
$4,000,000
to Orlando

Chicago trades:
Cash Considerations of
$3,000,000
to Seattle

TOTAL:

$13,114,240




Orlando trades:
Bo Outlaw
$4,500,000
to Houston

Orlando trades:
Cory Alexander
$241,986
to Houston

Orlando trades:
15th Overall Pick
$0
to Seattle

Orlando trades:
Dee Brown
$548,500
to Seattle

Orlando trades:
Andrew DeClercq
$1,920,000
to Seattle

Orlando trades:
31st Overall Pick
$0
to Houston

Orlando trades:
22rd Overall Pick
$0
to Chicago

Orlando trades:
Mike Miller
$2,320,080
to Houston

Orlando trades:
Pat Garrity
$1,019,280
to Chicago

Orlando trades:
John Amaechi
$598,200
to Seattle

Orlando trades:
Michael Doleac
$1,452,000
to Houston

Orlando trades:
Cash Considerations of
$3,000,000
to Seattle

TOTAL:

$12,600,046




Seattle trades:
39th Overall Pick
$0
to Chicago

Seattle trades:
David Wingate
$548,500
to Orlando

Seattle trades:
41st Overall Pick
$0
to Houston

Seattle trades:
Ruben Patterson
$990,000
to Orlando

Seattle trades:
Gary Payton
$11,214,688
to Chicago
(plus Trade Kicker $1,810,734)
Seattle trades:
Rashard Lewis
$3,922,560
to Houston
(BYC Value $1,961,280)
TOTAL:

$16,675,748



TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Seattle being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Seattle had to be no more than 115% plus
$100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the
provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Due to Houston being below the salary cap by more than the total of their exceptions after this trade, they
lost exceptions to the value of $2,482,600. To see exactly what exceptions Houston lost, please check the
check a cap page on Real General Manager, Inc.

Seattle would also receive a trade exception of $2,895,528 with this trade. This would have to be used within
one calendar year from the date of this trade.

Be aware that this exception will be extinguished if the team which possesses it falls below the cap by the
combined amount of the exceptions it currently possesses.

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Rockets would end up getting:

PG: Cory Alexander (2nd backup)
SG: -
SF: Rashard Lewis (finally coming home, super talented), Mike Miller (Miller could spend some time at backup SG or even PF sometimes, so playing time should not be a problem)
PF: Bo Outlaw (top defensive stopper)
C: Michael Doleac
Picks: 31, 41 (who knows, maybe another Mobley could come out of this)

for

Walt, Cato, Rogers, picks 13, 18, 23

Looks like an excellent deal to me.


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Seattle would get:

PG: Jamal Crawford (good potential)
SG: Dee Brown (3-point specialist)
SF: Ron Artest (good defender, young, knows how to stop Jordan )
PF: Elton Brand (franchise player), Carlos Rogers
C: John Amaechi, Andrew DeClerq (12 fouls against Shaq)
15th pick in the draft
+ 9 million in cash, 2.5 million trade exception

for Payton (they just have to trade him, he wants to leave), Lewis (this would probably be the dealbreaker for them...), Patterson (too much criminal baggage), Wingate, picks 39 and 41.

This could be the start of their rebuilding process (they would have picks 12 and 15 in a deep draft this year). They would still have to try to unload Baker, but it seems like they just have to do anything to get out of the situation they are in right now. With pick 12 and 15, they might well be able to get their starting SG and C for years to come. Plus, the 9 million in cash are a lot.

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Chicago would get a real franchise player in Payton, they would get a promising SG/SF with Garrity + a whole lot of picks (13, 18, 22, 23, 39).

This would be a fantastic deal for them that would probably instantly lift them into the playoffs while at the same time being a great start of real rebuilding. Their starting lineup of Payton, Mercer, Garrity, PF from the draft, Cato would actually be quite a good one compared to what they have now.

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For Orlando, this trade would be great as well:

They would get
No. 4 pick in a draft with at least 5 potential franchise players, Patterson (defensive stopper, maybe the change of scenery would help him overcome his private problems), Fizer (PF with big potential), Brad Miller (probably a slight upgrade over the centers they would be losing), plus Walt Williams, David Wingate (good locker room guys whose contracts expire after next season) and the 29 pick.

They would be losing some good players (Mike Miller, Outlaw), some decent players (Garrity, Doleac), picks 15, 22, 31, but they would also rid themselves of some players who are closer to being a scrub than to being a franchise player (Alexander, Brown, DeClerq, Amaechi). This trade would give them much more space to make moves again. They would have a potential starting lineup of Armstrong, McGrady, Hill, Kwame Brown (No. 4 pick), Brad Miller - or Miller at the 4 and Curry at the 5, depending on how the draft pans out. That does not look bad at all to me.


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I know this trade will probably never happen...but it would be great!!

Just checked, actually, the trade would still work if Seattle kept Rashard Lewis - maybe then it would be even more realistic. I would probably still do it, just to get rid of Walt and Cato, although we would lose a trade exception...

Okay, that's enough craziness from me...no more RealGM for me .

 

Uh, I guess this is all too complicated for anyone to read or even respond to...

 

20 players, 9 picks, 9 million in cash consideration...that would be a new record...and it works...

 

Orlando would actually trade the Rookie of the Year and one of the best defensive power forwards who is also consistently close to leading the league in fg % for two overpaid guys without a sufficient desire to win.

Breaking down the trade you could look at it this way:

13th pick for Mike Miller - Miller is Rookie of the Year - doubt you will get that with No. 13.
18th pick for Pat Garrity - Garrity is still young, I wonder if you will get someone better at 18.
23rd pick for Doleac - you might be able to get someone better with 23, but...
...Cato for Outlaw - Outlaw is like the opposite of Cato when it comes to hustle, desire and team spirit.
Plus, Williams for the 31st pick - I don't see Walt having much of a future with the Rockets - with the 31st pick, at least you have a chance to find a gem like Mobley.

So all in all, I would see this trade as favoring the Rockets. But maybe I am just led by my desire to ship Cato's and also Walt's a$$ out of town as soon as possible.