Why are y'all arguing with someone about the Knicks options? They either: - keep Melo and face the wrath - send him to Houston - send him to Cleveland Jesus could comeback as GM and those options don't change. The holder of the no trade clause has the power. Now go to bed and stop killing the thread buddy!
Melo has played 74 in past season, 146 in past 2 seasons, and 186 in past 3 seasons. Ryno has played 72 in past season, 138 in past 2 seasons, and 199 in past 3 seasons. Melo averages 69 games per season in his career, Anderson 61 games per season. Meanwhile, Anderson is 4 years younger and just had his best season while Melo had his worst performance wise. If you are taking account injury history, this is as insignificant a difference as there can be in my opinion. I wasn't clear. I'm comparing Monroe last summer to Ryno next summer. I'm also ignoring that while both players are very flawed and one dimensional, Ryno is elite at something, and his elite skill was critical to the Rockets ending up the 3rd best team in the most difficult conference of all time. I'm not sure we can say Monroe has done something similar to show his one-dimensional skill can lead to significant wins, but I don't know much about him. More importantly, the difference between a bad contract having one year less on it. That's the point I was trying to make. One year less matters, even if it's still a bad contract. What Bucks could get for Monroe last season, they wouldn't accept it now. His value improved by just 1 year of Bucks eating the salary, even though Monroe got older and showed no new skills. That's why, I don't agree that in a year, Anderson's value won't improve. His value is already right now, allegedly: Anderson and 2 first rounders for total absorption of the contract. From this I speculate that, right now, Anderson and 1 first rounder can get you an overpaid expiring contract or an overpaid player better than Anderson. From the Monroe example, I speculate that Anderson's value will be better than any of those 2 scenarios next summer. I think you have the data that the market will shrink because fewer teams will have cap space. In that case, yes it can affect this expected improvement in his trade value. However, I'm not sure why you're fixated on a salary dump. Knicks have Anderson on 2 years in an inflated league and a draft pick. They just need to get a younger player or players and an expiring(s). Doesn't have to be a TPE. If few teams have cap space, that means teams are seeking improvement through trade. I'm sure the Knicks care and they will seek to do something with it. But first of all, they won't have cap space if Melo doesn't opt out. Why is this a foregone conclusion? If they ruin his life for a year, it will make him more bitter and his market value even lower. He would have every reason to opt in and force a buyout at full salary or no free agent market. Of course in this situation he will continue to be harsh in his use of NTC too. The other side of it is, even if he leaves, now they have the cap space yes but a less desirable situation. Like I said, Porzingis sulking, media circus about how they treated Melo, etc. This is the BESSST case dream scenario where Melo opts out. That's a toxic situation. No one wants to be there. President of an organization has to think about the image (I'm assuming they want to stop being garbage after Griffin) and how it affects their ability to keep and sign players. These things matter. Even on a tiny scale as an example, imagine what kind of word would get around to agents and players if we had screwed Nene after the 4yr deal fell through. Now imagine that on a huge scale with a highly visible player who is very well connected and his agency is powerful. I think on the overall, we're mostly in agreement. I don't disagree with your assessment of the desirability of what we're offering. I'm just saying the alternative situation for the Knicks - keeping Melo - is not just a slightly bad situation. It's a disaster and chaos, and I can see them wanting to exit this. I think they may place actual trade value on the opportunity to exit this mess. Let's see how it goes. I'm just speculating in the dark here.
WOW Mathloom!! Nice post. You did a very good and well written analysis here. I definitely agree that one year less means less negative value. I just without having seen the end of FA and the teams' capsheet about next years' projected available capspace they will have available, can't determine for sure that his dumping cost will be 1 first. For example if BKN pays for KCP next year they could be out of the mega capspace territory. The Kings sure seem to and there's also WCS's extension. Embiid's extension as well will affect Philly's capspace. Mirotic RFA about the Bulls. Will teh Suns absorb any contract this FA that will take them out for next year too? That's why I can't be sure that his value will become just 1 first. it IS possible but not something one can bank on 100%. About having Melo benched until he relents it depends how much they judge he wants to leave. If it takes only 2 months till he opens his options about leaving more money on the table, or open to be trade to more teams.. Is damaging their repuations, since they are already according to Lowe considered a "destination of last resort" more damaging than not taking back bad contracts on top of what they already must dump to build around Porzingod? We will see what happens. What I know though, is that a signing of Griffin as a new GM will make things harder and a trade be completed later than what potato head reports, (imminent).
I really don't know. I can see this dragging on till the deadline. I can see it ending tomorrow. For me it depends on whether Griffin is coming into this with the mindset of: 1) Let's just cut ourselves loose and start fresh, even if it costs us a bit; or, 2) Everyone thinks a bad trade is inevitable and I'm going to be superman.
Thanks! All valid scenarios you listed. I also lean towards: this might take a while. The package we're apparently offering is going to be available till the deadline. Maybe Griffin says: look, I know with patience, I can churn Anderson's contract with a pick into something. But Morey, please, just take your time and do it for me. I don't want the headache, I have too many crappy contracts to focus on as it is. Tyt Morey, just get me $23m in expiring/NG contracts and I will pull the trigger. But then it's the Knicks. They made a big signing days before hiring a new GM. Who knows what's going on there.
I am still not sure how to feel about this. Melo is a clear upgrade over RyNo. BUT he fits into the team in almost the same way--same strengths and weaknesses. Floor spacing, zero defense power forward. He makes our offense even stronger but he does not help our defense.
Yeah I'd rather have Anderson and Ego than Meeee-lo. I thought he was gonna come through buyouts wtf? No to Melo and that bloated contract if it means losing good players. We aint beating GSW with Melo, Cp3, Harden and scrubs.
LOOOL I knew it would scare you lol they just changed the lyrics to an actual eurovision song..oh the memories.
Exactly! This is also why I'm reluctant to get into a bidding war with Cleveland. To me, Melo is worth Anderson + filler. Under normal circumstances he's worth much more, but this situation is unique. NY allowed this mess to unfold involving a player armed with a no-trade clause. Melo holds all the power and will basically hand pick his destination. I get nauseous whenever people start talking about including vital assets like Clint or EG. Stick to your guns. Anderson + filler or facilitate a three team deal that nets NY some semblance of an asset and call it a day.
It looks like a couple of guys got their Atari's taken away from them and had nothing better to do last night!!
