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[Woj] Kings fire Mike Malone

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Carl Herrera said: ↑

I would not slam Ranadive too hard.

The guy has a passion for running a basketball team and is willing to try new things and invest $ and energy to make the team successful. Does he make mistakes? Sure, but all owners do and inexperienced owners especially so. And it's OK to make mistakes as long as the owner is learning from them and staying and keep on working for the long haul.

I am actually OK with them firing a competent coach over fundamental philosophical differences with the owner and management. It's like a band with big creative difference among the members. They may well be better just splitting up so each member can pursue the creative direction that he or she wants to pursue.

If Vivek, D'Alessandro and Mullin really think that they should play a certain way to achieve the level of success. They should give their approach a shot. I said the same thing about Rick Adelman leaving Houston.

I would say that Vivek's mistakes are hiring Malone as coach in the first place and not firing him in the summer if Vivek knew that Malone's approach disagrees with how Vivek wants things done. Firing him 20 or so games in just seems like weird timing.
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I'm totally with you. An owner has every right to stick with his convictions. It's his team after all. However, I also think in this particular case, I don't know if that's where it stops. Ego and arrogance go hand in hand with ambition and conviction.

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Paul Westphal: Not an NBA level coach. Probably not college either.
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Been to the finals before.

#102 Ziggy, Dec 15, 2014
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Is that the highest coaching turnover in all of sports right now?
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So, some research

In the NBA, Kings are tied with Nets & Pistons for most coaches since 2006 with 7.*
*Including interim

In the NFL, no one including the Raiders, has 7.

In MLB, Marlins & Mariners have 7 and the hometown Astros are going on 8(!).

NBA

Since 2006

Sixers: 5 (Cheeks, DiLeo, Jordan, Collins, Brown)
Bucks: 6 (Stotts, Krystkowiak, Skiles, Boylan, Drew, Kidd)
Bulls: 5 (Skiles, Myers(1 game), Boylan, Del Negro, Thibodeau)
Cavs: 3 (Brown, Scott, Blatt)
Celtics: 2 (Rivers, Stevens)
Clippers: 4 (Dunleavy, Hughes, Del Negro, Rivers)
Grizzlies: 6 (Fratello, Barone, Iavaroni, Davis(2 games), Hollins, Joerger)
Hawks: 3 (Woodson, Drew, Budenholzer)
Heat: 2 (Riley, Spoelstra)
Hornets: 6 (Bickerstaff, Vincent, Brown, Silas, Dunlap, Clifford)
Jazz: 3 (Sloan, Corbin, Snyder)
Kings: 7 (Musselman, Theus, Natt, Westphal, Smart, Malone, Corbin)
Knicks: 4 (Thomas, D'Antoni, Woodson, Fisher)
Lakers: 5 (Jackson, Brown, Bickerstaff, D'Antoni, Scott)
Magic: 3 (Hill, Van Gundy, Vaughn)
Mavs: 2 (Johnson, Carlisle)
Nets: 7 (Frank, Barrise(2 games), Vandeweghe, Johnson, Carlesimo, Kidd, Hollins)
Nuggets: 2 (Karl, Shaw)
Pacers: 3 (Carlisle, O'Brien, Vogel)
Pelicans: 3 (Scott, Bower, Williams)
Pistons: 7 (Saunders, Curry, Kuester, Frank, Cheeks, Loyer, Van Gundy)
Raptors: 3 (Mitchell, Triano, Casey)
Rockets: 3 (Van Gundy, Adelman, McHale)
Spurs: 1 (Popovich)
Suns: 5 (D'Antoni, Porter, Gentry, Hunter, Hornacek)
Thunder: 3 (Hill, Carlesimo, Brooks)
T'Wolves: 6 (Casey, Wittman, McHale, Rambis, Adelman, Saunders)
Blazers: 3 (McMillan, Canales, Stotts)
Warriors: 4 (Nelson, Smart, Jackson, Kerr)
Wizards: 4 (Jordan, Tapscott, Saunders, Wittman)

MLB

Since 2006
Angels: 1 (Scioscia)
Astros: 8 (Garner, Cooper, Clark(13 games), Mills, DeFrancesco, Porter, Lawless, Hinch(2015))
A's: 3 (Macha, Geren, Melvin)
Blue Jays: 3 (Gibbons, Gaston, Farrell)
Braves: 2 (Cox, Gonzalez)
Brewers: 4 (Yost, Sveum(12 games), Macha, Roenicke)
Cardinals: 2 (La Russa, Matheny)
Cubs: 6 (Baker, Piniella, Quade, Sveum, Renteria, Maddon(2015))
DBacks: 5 (Melvin, Hinch, Gibson, Trammell(3 games), Hale(2015))
Dodgers: 3 (Little, Torre, Mattingly)
Giants: 2 (Alou, Bochy)
Indians: 4 (Wedge, Acta, Alomar(6 games), Francona)
Mariners: 7 (Hargrove, McLaren, Riggleman, Wakamatsu, Brown, Wedge, McClendon)
Marlins: 7 (Girardi, Gonzalez, Rodriguez, Hyde(1 game), McKeon, Guillen, Redmond)
Mets: 3 (Randolph, Manuel, Collins)
Nationals: 6 (Robinson, Acta, Riggleman, McLaren(3 games), Johnson, Williams)
Orioles: 4 (Perlozzo, Trembley, Samuel, Showalter)
Padres: 2 (Bochy, Black)
Pirates: 3 (Tracy, Russell, Hurdle)
Phillies: 2 (Manuel, Sandberg)
Rangers: 4 (Showalter, Washington, Bogar, Banister(2015))
Rays: 2 (Maddon, Cash(2015))
Reds: 4 (Narron, Mackanin, Baker, Price)
Red Sox: 3 (Francona, Valentine, Farrell)
Rockies: 3 (Hurdle, Tracy, Weiss)
Royals: 3 (Bell, Hillman, Yost)
Tigers: 2 (Leyland, Ausmus)
Twins: 2(Gardenhire, Molitor(2015))
White Sox: 3 (Guillen, Cooper(2 games), Ventura)
Yankees: 2 (Torre, Girardi)

NFL

Since 2006
Bears: 2 (Smith, Trestman)
Bengals: 1 (Lewis)
Bills: 4 (Jauron, Fewell, Gailey, Marrone)
Broncos: 4 (Shanahan, McDaniels, Studesville(4 games), Fox)
Browns: 5 (Crennel, Mangini, Shurmur, Chudzinski, Pettine)
Bucs: 4 (Gruden, Morris, Schiano, Smith)
Cardinals: 3 (Green, Whisenhunt, Arians)
Chargers: 3 (Schottenheimer, Turner, McCoy)
Chiefs: 4 (Edwards, Haley, Crennel, Reid)
Colts: 3 (Dungy, Caldwell, Pagano)
Cowboys: 3 (Parcells, Phillips, Garrett)
Dolphins: 5 (Saban, Cameron, Sparano, Bowles(3 games), Philbin)
Eagles: 2 (Reid, Kelly)
Falcons: 4 (Mora, Petrino, Thomas(3 games), Smith)
49ers: 4 (Nolan, Singletary, Tomsula(1 game), Harbaugh)
Giants: 1 (Coughlin)
Jaguars: Del Rio, Tucker(5 games), Mularkey, Bradley)
Jets: 2 (Mangini, Ryan)
Lions: 3 (Marinelli, Schwartz, Caldwell)
Packers: 1 (McCarthy)
Panthers: 2 (Fox, Rivera)
Patriots: 1 (Belichick)
Raiders: 6 (Shell, Kiffin, Cable, Jackson, Allen, Sparano)
Rams: 4 (Linehan, Haslett, Spagnuolo, Fisher)
Ravens: 2 (Billick, Harbaugh)
Redskins: 4 (Gibbs, Zorn, Shanahan, Gruden)
Saints: 1 (Payton)
Seahawks: 3 (Holmgren, Mora, Carroll)
Steelers: 2 (Cowher, Tomlin)
Texans: 3 (Kubiak, Phillips(3 games), O'Brien)
Titans: 3 (Fisher, Munchak, Whisenhunt)
Vikings: 3 (Childress, Frazier, Zimmer)

#103 J.R., Dec 15, 2014
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J.R. said: ↑

Some truth to that.

At least the FO didn't push the coach to play Royce White.

Management wanted Chris Finch on staff; management hired Kevin McHale's staff.

Adelman suspected they were trying to hire his eventual successor.

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The big difference though is that we don't have Les Alexander making these decisions for the coaching staff, we have the general manager doing so.

Thus, while our front office is also a bit overbearing on the coaching staff, the advice and decisions they are promoting are a lot better than things like forcing the coach to give Royce freaking White playing time.

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Carl Herrera said: ↑

I would not slam Ranadive too hard.

I am actually OK with them firing a competent coach over fundamental philosophical differences with the owner and management. It's like a band with big creative difference among the members. They may well be better just splitting up so each member can pursue the creative direction that he or she wants to pursue.

If Vivek, D'Alessandro and Mullin really think that they should play a certain way to achieve the level of success. They should give their approach a shot. I said the same thing about Rick Adelman leaving Houston.

I would say that Vivek's mistakes are hiring Malone as coach in the first place and not firing him in the summer if Vivek knew that Malone's approach disagrees with how Vivek wants things done. Firing him 20 or so games in just seems like weird timing.
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There is nothing wrong with the general idea of firing a coach whose philosophy does not fit with that of the front office, the problems in this case are:

1) they should have fired him during the offseason if they knew he did not fit with the front office philosophy. The Kings have severely diminished what they can get out of this season (in regards to success and development) by not being more decisive.

2) While there is nothing wrong with firing a coach for philosophy differences per se, if the philosophy you hold that the coach rejected includes giving Royce White playing time, trading for Josh Smith, playing 4 on 5 defense, etc -- then you should fire your philosophy and keep your coach.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Kings like the uptempo offense that new interim coach Tyrone Corbin was running with the summer league team that won the title in Las Vegas.</p>— Marc J. Spears (@SpearsNBAYahoo) <a href="https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/544570606461534208">December 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I think it's great actually. if your recall Malcom Gladwell wrote about Vivek's girls basketball coaching strategy a few years ago:

How David Beats Goliath

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Redwood City’s strategy was built around the two deadlines that all basketball teams must meet in order to advance the ball. The first is the inbounds pass. When one team scores, a player from the other team takes the ball out of bounds and has five seconds to pass it to a teammate on the court. If that deadline is missed, the ball goes to the other team. Usually, that’s not an issue, because teams don’t contest the inbounds pass. They run back to their own end. Redwood City did not. Each girl on the team closely shadowed her counterpart. When some teams play the press, the defender plays behind the offensive player she’s guarding, to impede her once she catches the ball. The Redwood City girls, by contrast, played in front of their opponents, to prevent them from catching the inbounds pass in the first place. And they didn’t guard the player throwing the ball in. Why bother? Ranadivé used that extra player as a floater, who could serve as a second defender against the other team’s best player. “Think about football,” Ranadivé said. “The quarterback can run with the ball. He has the whole field to throw to, and it’s still damned difficult to complete a pass.” Basketball was harder. A smaller court. A five-second deadline. A heavier, bigger ball. As often as not, the teams Redwood City was playing against simply couldn’t make the inbounds pass within the five-second limit. Or the inbounding player, panicked by the thought that her five seconds were about to be up, would throw the ball away. Or her pass would be intercepted by one of the Redwood City players. Ranadivé’s girls were maniacal.

The second deadline requires a team to advance the ball across mid-court, into its opponent’s end, within ten seconds, and if Redwood City’s opponents met the first deadline the girls would turn their attention to the second. They would descend on the girl who caught the inbounds pass and “trap” her. Anjali was the designated trapper. She’d sprint over and double-team the dribbler, stretching her long arms high and wide. Maybe she’d steal the ball. Maybe the other player would throw it away in a panic—or get bottled up and stalled, so that the ref would end up blowing the whistle. “When we first started out, no one knew how to play defense or anything,” Anjali said. “So my dad said the whole game long, ‘Your job is to guard someone and make sure they never get the ball on inbounds plays.’ It’s the best feeling in the world to steal the ball from someone. We would press and steal, and do that over and over again. It made people so nervous. There were teams that were a lot better than us, that had been playing a long time, and we would beat them.”

The Redwood City players would jump ahead 4–0, 6–0, 8–0, 12–0. One time, they led 25–0. Because they typically got the ball underneath their opponent’s basket, they rarely had to take low-percentage, long-range shots that required skill and practice. They shot layups. In one of the few games that Redwood City lost that year, only four of the team’s players showed up. They pressed anyway. Why not? They lost by three points.

“What that defense did for us is that we could hide our weaknesses,” Rometra Craig said. She helped out once Redwood City advanced to the regional championships. “We could hide the fact that we didn’t have good outside shooters. We could hide the fact that we didn’t have the tallest lineup, because as long as we played hard on defense we were getting steals and getting easy layups. I was honest with the girls. I told them, ‘We’re not the best basketball team out there.’ But they understood their roles.” A twelve-year-old girl would go to war for Rometra. “They were awesome,” she said.

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This is worth reading even if you're laughing at Ranadive now.

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Malone now joins Shareef Abdur-Rahim on the list of ousted employees the Kings hired before D’Alessandro and Chris Mullin — the latter a top adviser who has Ranadivé’s ear. Abdur-Rahim expressed disagreement with D’Alessandro, Mullin, and Mitch Richmond during the draft process, and left the team shortly after an argument on draft night, per several league sources.

Ranadivé favors an uptempo game, and even suggested that Malone experiment with a 4-on-5 defense and one cherry picker, sources told Grantland in October. The team’s D-League outfit in Reno is piling up points at a frenetic pace. Darren Collison is a human turbo boost, and in Rudy Gay and Derrick Williams, the Kings have two plausible small-ball power forwards who could weaponize undersized lineups with Cousins as a break-pushing center.

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There is just no basketball reason to fire Malone right now, especially with no quality replacement lined up and millions owed him in the future. Tyrone Corbin, who will serve as interim head coach, was a flop in Utah; nothing in his record there suggests he can coach defense on Malone’s level or build a creative up-tempo offense heavy on 3s. Perhaps that doesn’t matter if Corbin is just a cipher for ownership.

George Karl would be great, and Wojnarowski reported he may at some point be on Ranadivé’s wish list. (Watching Karl and Ranadivé butt heads would be incredible.) But if that’s the case, why let Corbin take the reins for the rest of this season? Why not fire Malone last summer if stylistic and ideological divisions had already calcified? Malone was absolutely threatened by the team’s move over the summer to hire a lead assistant from a pool that included Alvin Gentry, per several sources familiar with the matter. (Three league sources say Gentry was uncomfortable with the possibility that the Kings were setting him up to succeed Malone, and ended up taking an assistant job under Steve Kerr in Golden State. The Kings deny they had any such plans.) Malone ultimately won that argument; Corbin was his choice. But if he felt threatened then, what hope was there of repairing things?

There are all sorts of side issues, including Malone’s reported opposition to a Josh Smith trade. As I’ve written before, the Kings poked around about Smith, but they weren’t willing to part with young players or draft picks to get him. The Pistons, for their part, weren’t willing in July and August to dump Smith for a bundle of bad Sacramento contracts — even if doing so would have helped them secure Greg Monroe. As things stand now, Monroe is a strong bet to walk in the offseason for nothing.

Look, Malone is not some incredible coaching genius. He was given too much credit for the Warriors’ defensive improvement under Mark Jackson, and it took him a while to find a style that fit Sacramento’s roster on that end. But he was doing damn well with this group, and with this ornery franchise player. The Kings were on the upswing, a happy NBA story. Now they’re a depressing mystery again.

There’s a lesson here, too: Never underestimate a wacky ownership. Today marks the first day on which most free agents signed last summer can be traded, and ESPN’s Marc Stein and Ohm Youngmisuk reported last week that the Nets are open to dealing all their stars. Don’t be shocked if Sacramento sniffs around a bunch of trades. The Kings are full of surprises.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/sacramento-kings-mike-malone-fired/
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Ranadiva is a billionaire and the Kings is his toy. He can do whatever the F he likes with his toy after paying a lot for it.

Kind of like when Roman Abramovich bought Chelsea and started throwing money to buy each and every top player available irrespective of team fit or chemistry.

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Well, this can't fail.

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I think it's great actually. if your recall Malcom Gladwell wrote about Vivek's girls basketball coaching strategy a few years ago:

This is worth reading even if you're laughing at Ranadive now.
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This post is useless without pics of Anjali Ranadive, Vivek's daughter and the designated trapper referenced in the article:

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Lol I remember that draft day video when the Kings were deciding who they wanted to draft, and the owner went around the room asking everyone who they wanted. But he asked like this, "Stauskus or Payton... For me, Stauskus." The GM paused before saying Stauskus, and it seemed like he really didn't want Stauskus but did not want to do against the owner lolol

I thought Malone did a good job. I think this is a case of the owner being too involved in the workings of a team.
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That video is funny but reality is the decision making had already been done off camera.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Per one insider, the Kings head coach job is George Karl's to lose/turn down. Alvin Gentry and Mark Jackson also prime targets.</p>— Howard Beck (@HowardBeck) <a href="https://twitter.com/HowardBeck/status/544585989818437632">December 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Regarding <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SacKings?src=hash">#SacKings</a>, George Karl telling me on <a href="https://twitter.com/SiriusXMNBA">@SiriusXMNBA</a> "I'm humbled. If they're interested in me, I'm interested in them" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NBA?src=hash">#NBA</a></p>— Tom Byrne (@1TomByrne) <a href="https://twitter.com/1TomByrne/status/544582412781780992">December 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Per one insider, the Kings head coach job is George Karl's to lose/turn down. Alvin Gentry and Mark Jackson also prime targets.</p>— Howard Beck (@HowardBeck) <a href="https://twitter.com/HowardBeck/status/544585989818437632">December 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Hiring Mark Jackson would be the grown man move here.

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May not be anything, but Chris Mullin was in GSW when the team imploded (during the Timmy Hardaway/Chris Webber/Latrell Sprewell/Adelman/Carlisimo era). While folks liked Chris Mullin, he never asserted his leadership throughout the team's collapse.

Now he is there in SAC...

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-do...kings-and-coach-michael-malone-175201188.html

Michael Malone had been pining for a backup point guard, but Sacramento Kings management had a different idea for their coach a year ago: Royce White. Here was the beginning of the end for this doomed partnership, a disagreement that widened the gulf between them.

White was out of shape, had no interest in playing basketball – which had been clear when the Houston Rockets released him. He had been awful in the Development League, a malingerer, and done nothing to deserve a call-up to the Kings.

"Pretty soon, they're telling [Malone]: Why aren't you putting him in the games?" one organizational source told Yahoo Sports. "That's when it really started to get bad between him and the guys upstairs."
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NewRoxFan said: ↑

May not be anything, but Chris Mullin was in GSW when the team imploded (during the Timmy Hardaway/Chris Webber/Latrell Sprewell/Adelman/Carlisimo era). While folks liked Chris Mullin, he never asserted his leadership throughout the team's collapse.

Now he is there in SAC...
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It's not anything because

1. Mullin wasn't in power as a front office exec during Sprewell's tenure there. Even if he had a position within the franchise it wasn't one of power/importance.
2. Mullin couldn't have predicted/prevented Sprewell choking his coach because he wasn't around.
3. Mullin oversaw The SJax/Baron/JRich era which rejuvenated the franchise and got the ball rolling from there.
4. Mullin's contract wasn't renewed after the 2009 season, which was the season where Monta Ellis decided it was smart to ride a Moped and miss 30 games that season.

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So management fired him over Royce White? Agendas...

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So management fired him over Royce White? Agendas...
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royce white da gawd

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Royce White never wanted to play in the NBA tho

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