You think it's fascinating to discredit bad data? You think completely inaccurate data is interesting? No wonder your world views are so f-ed up.
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/06/wisconsin-and-the-rest-of-us-ctd.html Interesting. I guess the liberals will now turn against the Orlando Magic.
To follow RM95's post its not like people like you would suddenly support him if he did. Obama had nothing to gain by backing a long shot recall in WI. It would just make him look weaker for wasting political capital and resources. Keep in mind too while Romney said he supported Walker didn't spend much time actually campaigning for Walker. It really wasn't in the interest of either presidential campaign to expend resources they will need later in WI.
I agree again. Whatever campaign move he makes, I will be looking for each and every flaw ... and I'm sure you and other of your colleagues will be doing the same with Romney. That's what makes campaigns interesting.
You might be mistaking me for some other poster. I am not supporting Romney but at the same time I don't consider him the Devil.
From a cautious small ball point of view you have a case. however, who is to say it would have been a loser if Obama had exerted himself. Obama looks like he thinks the whole country is about HIM. Frankly the Democratic Party is more important than Obama. Likewise when Obama threw the whole Democratic Party under the bus when he started talking about a grand bargain and reducing Medicare and Social Security. If we are ever going to have significant change it is not going to happen by having just one cautious guy, the president not backed by a party with some sort of vision and program. Obama might think he is being smart by being very cuatious, and doing and saying anything sort of like Romney to get elected, but it is no way to do much aside from being reelected.
No, I know you are an Obama supporter. Again, as I explained to Rocketman95, a little hyperbole never hurt anyone. BTW, it's not Obama that I dislike so intensely, it' his policies and actions. I'm sure that shooting hoops with Obama would be a lot of fun. However, it is interesting that GWB and his wife went to visit the White House kitchen staff after the portrait unveiling -- something that apparently, according to pundits, is beneath the Obamas.
Major, you don't know what you are talking about. Nearly all of the major advances in American history were caused by folks being passionate "throwing a fit" as you would call it until those contented with the status quo conceded. Granted there were the careful backroom guys drafting the actual wording of the legislation, but that was not the important step.
You needed to post rather than just link. ********** Wisconsin - And The Rest Of Us, Ctd There is, of course, this: Through April, Walker’s top three donors combined gave more than challenger Barrett’s campaign had raised overall. Four of Walker’s top seven donors are out-of-state billionaires, including former AmWay CEO and former Michigan gubernatorial candidate Dick DeVos, and casino magnate Adelson, who each gave $250,000. Citizens United is doing what it was supposed to do: empower the already-powerful, or a democracy whose choices are determined by completely unaccountable billionaires
No - they were done by people with an plan of action and path to achieve their goals, with supporters who put political pressure to make it happen. When the people who are supposed to actually do the work - the legislators - abdicate their responsibility, all the anger in the world is worthless and accomplishes nothing. What the Wisconsin legislators did is exactly what Republicans did in the health care debate. They didn't participate, and as a result, the policy that passed was much less appealing to their side. They hurt their own cause by not doing the job they were elected to do. The difference is that the GOP is good at turning that practice into political victories. The Dems suck at that because that strategy doesn't appeal to their constituency. We saw that in yesterday's election results. You have been wrong every step of the way in this thread claiming that the Dem strategy was great and working and and would result in great things. You got all the anger you wanted - and it got you exactly nothing. Your strategy sucked and failed miserably.
thumbs, I'm surprised at you trying to push the old meme that Bush the third generation wealthy guy is the common man and not Obama. You have been hanging out with too many tea baggers who get all their spin from Fox.
For a comparison, look at what Ohio Democrats did in the same situation and how they won the day. It was an effective strategy where they had an end-game that actually could win the day.
I am certain that you "know" the same about me even though I plan to vote for Gary Johnson this election cycle.
Well that wasn't an option in Wisconsin. Wisconsin doesn't allow citizen introduced amendments. They all have to originate in the legislature which obviously wasn't an option.
I think the point is obvious though that you are pretty blind in your bias against Obama. Major's post really highlights the degree to which you are misinformed. Whether you got it from CNN or FOX or whatever, you have to decide whether or not to think critically. Do you believe what fits into what you want to believe, or are you going to be an independent thinker. There are those here that tow the party line on both sides. You are one of them. There's a lot of criticism I have for Obama and dems to be honest, but what you, Fox, and friends do is skew the debate to such an extreme level that we can't have an honest discourse about what is best for the country. It's always colored by let's poop on the Dems from your side. Frankly, after being here for many years, and having tried to see if it was just the right or if the liberals were just as guilty....I have to say that major, mc mark, are a lot more open minded to consider factual evidence than you, basso, or bigtexx. That's rather disturbing I think. If you consider rocketsjudoka a liberal, you really have no clue what a moderate is, because honestly he is probably the definition of the middle and takes a completely critical and logical approach in all his statements. Very rarely does he state an actual opinion but often is raising questions or challenging both sides - libs and conservatives both. The question really is how biased you are. This forum is really just one side blowing smoke at the other without any constructive dialogue. It's kinda inane, and I fully recognize I am a part of it, if not some of the worst elements. But your statement above really just shows that you either are completely unwitting in your participation or just don't care. Perhaps both?
