I think the "we'll draft another project to be the next Savage, Yates, Brink, Symons, etc." part could go at the end of any pick in rounds 1-7
The Bill O'Brien 2017 timeline: After Romo retired: "We believe Tom can lead this team." After the draft: "No we weren't taking a QB in round 1, we know we have our quarterback, Tom Savage is ready." After week 4 "Stop asking questions about Tom. He is our starter, he knows he has to play better." After week 12 "We have complete confidence in Brandon behind center. He is ready for the challenge." After losing in the first round "Do I regret not drafting a QB? It doesn't matter Brian. 9-7, AFC South Champions Brian."
What's funny is you guys act like not picking a qb early is automatic doom. We pick one in the first and(when) he flames out you'll all be at the front doors of NRG to crucify Rick Smith. You pick one in the 4th or 5th and he flames out no big deal. If he's a steal we've finally made it to the promise land while still using our 1st on a quality player. I'm telling you the drop off of talent from "round 1" qbs to round 5 is not steep. Some of you just want them to pick one in the first just for the hell of it, not caring this is the worst qb draft since I've been alive. You gotta look at risk reward people. It's just not smart to pick a 4th round grade qb(in any other year) in the first because you want one, while the defensive players look like potential legends. Waiting one more year to get our guy will not kill anyone. Waiting until the weakest qb draft to finally pull the trigger is more stupid than them waiting this long in the first place. That transcript could look just as identical with a rookie qb bust.
You just have to know by now that some "Texans fans" just live to b**** about the team.....even when the team does what they say they want them to do. They'll run down any accomplishment and play up any failure. It's just how they are. At some point you just start to tune them out.
If I were running the team, I would pray that Mahomes drops. There's a decent chance of that. If he does not, I'd wait and grab Dobbs in the third. If Mahomes isn't available, I'd get TJ Watt. We need an OLB more than some seem to think, and TJ is an upgrade over Simon with insane potential. Then, in the second, I'd go best tackle available. In the third, I'd grab a corner or Dobbs. In the fourth, get James Conner. Fourth round, second pick, I'd get a safety. Then oline the rest of the way.
They don't have a QB so they kinda are already doomed. Fine, limited ceiling. And when he succeeds, all the credit to Billy O'Byran, not Rick! Yes, fans will crucify Rick but it doesn't matter, Rick's job will be safe. Draft another Tom Savage? No need to take one for the sake of taking one but if Bill (not Bob or Rick) likes one, go for it. Think I already said I'm leaning towards OT. They need an OT, no matter who's back there at QB. Savage, Romo, Weeden, draft pick, whoever. The ol' "This year's class sucks, just wait 'til next year." Fans always do this. Current year's class sucks, next year's class is amazing so wait. Then we roll around to the next year, said amazing class is then put under the microscope & dissected and it's suddenly not so "amazing" so we should wait again until next year when that class is amazing. Rinse & repeat. Spoiler Lamar Jackson, Louisville Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma Trace McSorley, Penn State Luke Faulk, Washington State (another air raid QB) Josh Allen, Wyoming Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State (Big 12 QB) Josh Rosen, UCLA (over-hyped, not sold personally) Sam Darnold, USC Jarrett Stidham**, QB, Auburn Nick Fitzgerald*, QB, Mississippi State Chase Litton*, QB, Marshall Riley Ferguson, QB, Memphis Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma Jake Browning*, QB, Washington Tanner Mangum*, QB, BYU Anu Solomon, QB, Arizona Kenny Hill*, QB, TCU Brett Rypien*, QB, Boise State Cooper Bateman, QB, Alabama Jeremy Johnson, QB, Auburn via CBS Sports Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State Luke Falk, Washington State Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma Max Browne, Pittsburgh Quinton Flowers, South Florida Matt Linehan, Idaho Mike White, Western Kentucky J.T. Barrett, Ohio State Logan Woodside, Toledo Austin Allen, Arkansas Riley Ferguson, Memphis Richard Lagow, Indiana Nick Stevens, Colorado State Jeremiah Briscoe, Sam Houston State Anu Solomon, Arizona Malik Zaire, Notre Dame Kenny Hill, TCU John O'Korn, Michigan Brandon Silvers, Troy Cooper Bateman, Alabama Danny Etling, LSU Brice Ramsey, Georgia Bryan Schor, James Madison Brandon Harris, North Carolina Kent Myers, Utah State John Franklin III, Auburn Chris Laviano, Rutgers DeVante Kincade, Grambling Brandon Cox, Utah Andrew Elffers, Azusa Pacific Damion Terry, Michigan State Kurt Benkert, Virginia Connor Mitch, James Madison Al Cobb, VMI Taylor Lamb, Appalachian State Chris Streveler, South Dakota John Wolford, Wake Forest Tyrell Maxwell, Gardner-Webb Jesse Ertz, Kansas State Hunter Wells, Youngstown State Alex McGough, Florida International Bryant Shirreffs, Connecticut Kyle Lauletta, Richmond Johnny Stanton, UNLV Damion Hobbs, Utah State Troy Cook, UT Martin Hayden Rettig, Rutgers Thomas Woodson, Akron Jake Jatis, Cornell Mitch Kimble, Eastern Illinois Parker Boehme, Duke Joel Lanning, Iowa State Matt Alviti, Northwestern Wade Freebeck, Vanderbilt Darell Garretson, Oregon State Brogan Roback, Eastern Michigan Austin Whipple, Massachusetts Michael Keir, California (PA) Keaton Studsrud, North Dakota Mark Cato, Florida Tech Max Staver, Houston Baptist Ryan Burns, Stanford Michael Julian, Toledo Damian Williams, Mississippi State Jack Heneghan, Dartmouth Alex Thomson, Wagner Austin Wilson, Coastal Carolina Grant Kraemer, Drake Jesse Hosket, Southeast Missouri State D.J. Crook, Albany Thomas Linta, Brown Matt Muh, Bucknell Tanner Wright, New Mexico Highlands Thomas Sirk, East Carolina Kevin Olsen, Charlotte Alejandro Bennifield, Chattanooga Rhys Gervais, Findlay Travis Tarnowski, Ashland Cole Davis, North Dakota State Tra'Von Chapman, Akron Stephen Johnson, Kentucky Austin Green, Eastern Illinois Conor Rhoda, Minnesota Jake Hubenak, Texas A&M Andrew Allen, Lamar (TX) Grant Russell, Ohio Dominican Parker Adamson, Southern Mississippi Shane Morris, Central Michigan Jack Milas, Ball State Kade Munden, Abilene Christian Larry Brihm, Bethune-Cookman Connor Jessop, Shepherd Nic Shimonek, Texas Tech Kyle Bolin, Louisville David Salmon, Campbell Zach Allen, Rutgers Pete DiNovo, UCF Will Brock, Presbyterian Kyle Postma, Houston Conner Manning, Georgia State Zach Meyer, Black Hills State Zack Mahoney, Syracuse Troy Williams, Utah Reggie Bell, Ferris State Daquan Neal, Elizabeth City State Montell Cozart, Kansas Hayden Hildebrand, Central Arkansas Patrick Tyler, Southern Utah Dalton Sturm, UTSA Mack Leftwich, Texas-El Paso Dante Mayes, Nevada Austin Howard, Southern Tyler Bruggman, Montana State Kurt Palandech, UNLV P.J. Blazejowski, Furman Lenorris Footman, Alcorn State Michael White, Marist Zander Diamont, Indiana Okay, so say Rosen & Darnold are the real deal. You think the Texans are gonna have a shot at them? #1 pick? Top 5 pick? Top 10 pick? They are currently short a 2nd next year to possibly move up.
And when he succeeds, all the credit to Billy O'Byran, not Rick! Yes, fans will crucify Rick but it doesn't matter, Rick's job will be safe. Don't really care who gets the credit... Draft another Tom Savage?Or Dak. No need to take one for the sake of taking one but if Bill (not Bob or Rick) likes one, go for it. Doesn't matter who likes who. It's still reaching by taking a mediocre project player over great defensive players. The ol' "This year's class sucks, just wait 'til next year." Fans always do this. Current year's class sucks, next year's class is amazing so wait. Then we roll around to the next year, said amazing class is then put under the microscope & dissected and it's suddenly not so "amazing" so we should wait again until next year when that class is amazing. Rinse & repeat. Spoiler Lamar Jackson, Louisville Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma Trace McSorley, Penn State Luke Faulk, Washington State (another air raid QB) Josh Allen, Wyoming Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State (Big 12 QB) Josh Rosen, UCLA (over-hyped, not sold personally) Sam Darnold, USC Jarrett Stidham**, QB, Auburn Nick Fitzgerald*, QB, Mississippi State Chase Litton*, QB, Marshall Riley Ferguson, QB, Memphis Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma Jake Browning*, QB, Washington Tanner Mangum*, QB, BYU Anu Solomon, QB, Arizona Kenny Hill*, QB, TCU Brett Rypien*, QB, Boise State Cooper Bateman, QB, Alabama Jeremy Johnson, QB, Auburn via CBS Sports Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State Luke Falk, Washington State Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma Max Browne, Pittsburgh Quinton Flowers, South Florida Matt Linehan, Idaho Mike White, Western Kentucky J.T. Barrett, Ohio State Logan Woodside, Toledo Austin Allen, Arkansas Riley Ferguson, Memphis Richard Lagow, Indiana Nick Stevens, Colorado State Jeremiah Briscoe, Sam Houston State Anu Solomon, Arizona Malik Zaire, Notre Dame Kenny Hill, TCU John O'Korn, Michigan Brandon Silvers, Troy Cooper Bateman, Alabama Danny Etling, LSU Brice Ramsey, Georgia Bryan Schor, James Madison Brandon Harris, North Carolina Kent Myers, Utah State John Franklin III, Auburn Chris Laviano, Rutgers DeVante Kincade, Grambling Brandon Cox, Utah Andrew Elffers, Azusa Pacific Damion Terry, Michigan State Kurt Benkert, Virginia Connor Mitch, James Madison Al Cobb, VMI Taylor Lamb, Appalachian State Chris Streveler, South Dakota John Wolford, Wake Forest Tyrell Maxwell, Gardner-Webb Jesse Ertz, Kansas State Hunter Wells, Youngstown State Alex McGough, Florida International Bryant Shirreffs, Connecticut Kyle Lauletta, Richmond Johnny Stanton, UNLV Damion Hobbs, Utah State Troy Cook, UT Martin Hayden Rettig, Rutgers Thomas Woodson, Akron Jake Jatis, Cornell Mitch Kimble, Eastern Illinois Parker Boehme, Duke Joel Lanning, Iowa State Matt Alviti, Northwestern Wade Freebeck, Vanderbilt Darell Garretson, Oregon State Brogan Roback, Eastern Michigan Austin Whipple, Massachusetts Michael Keir, California (PA) Keaton Studsrud, North Dakota Mark Cato, Florida Tech Max Staver, Houston Baptist Ryan Burns, Stanford Michael Julian, Toledo Damian Williams, Mississippi State Jack Heneghan, Dartmouth Alex Thomson, Wagner Austin Wilson, Coastal Carolina Grant Kraemer, Drake Jesse Hosket, Southeast Missouri State D.J. Crook, Albany Thomas Linta, Brown Matt Muh, Bucknell Tanner Wright, New Mexico Highlands Thomas Sirk, East Carolina Kevin Olsen, Charlotte Alejandro Bennifield, Chattanooga Rhys Gervais, Findlay Travis Tarnowski, Ashland Cole Davis, North Dakota State Tra'Von Chapman, Akron Stephen Johnson, Kentucky Austin Green, Eastern Illinois Conor Rhoda, Minnesota Jake Hubenak, Texas A&M Andrew Allen, Lamar (TX) Grant Russell, Ohio Dominican Parker Adamson, Southern Mississippi Shane Morris, Central Michigan Jack Milas, Ball State Kade Munden, Abilene Christian Larry Brihm, Bethune-Cookman Connor Jessop, Shepherd Nic Shimonek, Texas Tech Kyle Bolin, Louisville David Salmon, Campbell Zach Allen, Rutgers Pete DiNovo, UCF Will Brock, Presbyterian Kyle Postma, Houston Conner Manning, Georgia State Zach Meyer, Black Hills State Zack Mahoney, Syracuse Troy Williams, Utah Reggie Bell, Ferris State Daquan Neal, Elizabeth City State Montell Cozart, Kansas Hayden Hildebrand, Central Arkansas Patrick Tyler, Southern Utah Dalton Sturm, UTSA Mack Leftwich, Texas-El Paso Dante Mayes, Nevada Austin Howard, Southern Tyler Bruggman, Montana State Kurt Palandech, UNLV P.J. Blazejowski, Furman Lenorris Footman, Alcorn State Michael White, Marist Zander Diamont, Indiana Okay, so say Rosen & Darnold are the real deal. You think the Texans are gonna have a shot at them? #1 pick? Top 5 pick? Top 10 pick? They are currently short a 2nd next year to possibly move up.[/QUOTE]
Welp I ****ed that up... But anyways JR. taking a qb in the fourth doesn't necessarily mean another Savage it could be the next Dak. And doesn't really matter if BOB likes someone it's still reaching because we'd be missing out on superior defensive talent.
I would say "No" to drafting a QB in the 1st round. 1)These projected 1st round QB's are from the "Air-Raid" systems or "Read-option" schemes. 2) Houston offense is too difficult 3)O'Brien may be coaching his last year. He is not training a 2 to 3 yr project when the next coach will come in and want his guy (new toy fresh out of the box). 4) Speaking of next years QB class..........Rosen/Falk/Litton are much better than this class. To me the only flaw Litton has is recognizing sooner that his receiver has his man beat by 2 or 3 steps on deep passes 30+ yds. Too often I saw his receiver waiting for the ball 40 or 50 yds deep. He will fix that over the college season & be the total package. 5)Draft Peterman as a safety net 3rd stringer to possible 2nd stringer. Cheaper than free agent pickup. 6) If missing out on Peterman, I can see O'Brien going after free agent Fitzpatrick (familiar with the system). Long shot Kaepernick or Cutler. Trade for Keenum or TJ Yates. Ponder or Gabbert are listed as free agents by Spotrac.
You guys keep saying next year's class is better yet they were all unheard of during this past scouting session. Everyone was talking about this class even before the season was over. Please stop talking about guys that no one else is or has been talking about.
0% chance that the Texans draft a QB in the first round. There will not be a QB worth taking where the Texans are drafting. This is a weak QB class so trading up will not be a smart move. 50% chance that the Texans draft a QB in the second or third round. They have likely identified their QB targets in these rounds and will draft a QB if available. 0% chance of the Texans drafting a QB after the third round, since I do not see the Texans wasting a pick on a player that will have such low percentage chance of developing. FA QB scrap heap should have plenty of options for the second or third QB in the Texans depth chart.
