Why wars in the Middle East will cost the U.S. trillions more

Sweet Lou 4 2 · Jul 31, 2016

If you want peace in the middle east - it just will take a very long time. What's amazing to me is that Afghanistan is still around and hasn't fallen. It might soon though.

In any case, you need to put in place a secular strong democracy, give it lots of support, have massive drone program to kill terrorists, and use air support to keep the gov't strong and kill extremists.

The big setback here was Assad creating a civil war in Syria - if it wasn't for Syria I think there would have been no ISIS and people would be a lot less afraid.

We do need to increase pressure on ISIS even further and squash them and their propaganda machine. They need to do more than shut down Twitter accounts, they need to find those jihadists and get them. All.

Roc Paint · Jul 31, 2016

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Crying from laughter. Priceless when someone ignorant about basic middle east history/politics suggests a 60 year old, existing, failed plan as the solution.

Tremendous, really tremendous. *clap clap clap*

No worries guys, oil is becoming obsolete much sooner than you expect and even the most powerful, aggressive military in the modern history of the world won't be able to contain the **** storm that follows. I don't plan to be around for that party, but your peeps are welcome to stick around.

In reality though they will be out of here 2 seconds after the oil is worthless. We all know that. Maybe on that day, you'll do a little arithmetic and figure out proportionally how many more people were murdered in the Middle East more than were already murdering each other before your peeps got here. That's not specific to them, that's what happened with India, Spain, a dozen African countries, all throughout colonial history.

That's just what empire does, and frankly you have almost no say in it. I know Americans have a conscience and they tried to stop the Iraq war for example but to no avail. When state intelligence, military, executive and corporate media conspire against you without giving you a chance to organize, it is usually hopeless to even try. They learned how to deal with your voices in the 60's.

The process of extracting wealth by suppressing sovereign rights is always a bloody one. I know you're thinking they probably reduced the killing, but they didn't. We didn't have the means to kill this much, nowhere near it. And they supported one side of almost every war in the Middle East (and sometimes, both sides), and it wasn't always the good guys. It was, however, always the richer guys.

Combined with the fickleness with which they will just pick up and leave, you might even laugh at how ridiculous this invasion was. Then you will do a bit more arithmetic and ask yourself where the F is all the money from 60+ years of invasion? Everything is as bad as it ever was, YOU are tens of trillions of dollars in the hole at that point, no safer than you ever were, 99% of you will be no richer than your grandparents were and now their expansion into Africa will begin accelerating. It's actually already in the works.

That's the day you will figure out, they ****ed you and they ****ed us too. Those people are who they are. They are not going to be principally different to foreigners than they are to locals, they are just more restricted in what they're capable of doing to you. Don't spend another dime on a failed plan that's bleeding trillions of dollars from your tax money which could otherwise go to health or education or green energy. Extremely rich people and their obedient minions can't get over their xenophobia but you shouldn't have to suffer for that.

Do you genuinely care about democracy in some Middle Eastern country more than you do about helping poor Americans? How come when it's time to bomb some brown people, money appears out of thin air and it's ok to run up the deficit? But when it's time to feed one of the - for example - 46% of African American CHILDREN currently living in poverty in the wealthiest nation on earth... there's no money?

Let's help those kids out and everyone who needs helps desperately. There are a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of people in America who need help urgently more than there are people who would benefit in any way at all from any changes at all in the Middle East. The politicians tell you there's not enough money to go around. What do you do? Do we let them go ahead and try something they have failed at 99 out of 100 times? At what cost?

Wake up peeps. Hurt for your own people, just a little bit. It sucks, I know it sucks to hear what your empire is doing. But it's not your fault, you don't really have a hand in it. If you were making money from it or had a decisive say in it, I'd understand. But you're not. They are.
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We...you...peeps, and you're. Who exactly are you talking to Buffoon.

Cohete Rojo · Jul 31, 2016

I don't agree with Andrew Bacevich about Salafi Arabia's oil. I wouldn't mind the US banning oil imports from SA, but we would still need their 7 million barrels of oil per day being sent to our allies and trading partners in Europe and Asia. That is the kind of energy that cannot be easily or readily replaced - no matter how hard people whine about solar energy. That oil is brought to you, our allies, and trading partners by the 3+ million Indian laborers currently in their country.

BigDog63 · Aug 11, 2016

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Isolating Islam is the only way forward - killing is all they know how to do and deeply embedded into their subconscious.
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No it isn't. In the Middle East, perhaps so, but that is cultural, not religious.

Terrorism wasn't even an issue in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country, until Al Queda and other Middle Eastern entities brought it there, for example. The same in the United States.

How many Muslims do you know? Was killing deeply embedded in Olajuwon's subconscious?

Need to start deporting those who aren't ideologically aligned with modern civilization - they add nothing of value to the economy or modern culture that a Chinese, Indian or other non muslim minority on an H1 can't do and surpass within a month.
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There are lots of non Muslims who 'aren't ideologically aligned with modern civilization'. Boot them too? How would test for this? One could, for example, could quite easily make a case that you are not 'ideologically aligned with modern civilization' just based on your comments here. So, we should boot you out?

Respect is earned - get your affairs together and come back when you can play with the big boys
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Indeed. We'll see how that goes...maybe they'll let you back in eventually.

BigDog63 · Aug 11, 2016

Sweet Lou 4 2 said: ↑

If you want peace in the middle east - it just will take a very long time.
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Yes, it will. Cultures, just like people, take time to evolve. Also, just like people, they can't skip steps. Infants don't suddenly turn into adults.

In any case, you need to put in place a secular strong democracy, give it lots of support, have massive drone program to kill terrorists, and use air support to keep the gov't strong and kill extremists.
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Democracy cannot really exist without the supporting infrastructure. If the government has no means to communicate with outside enclaves, and no roads to get there, or infrastructure to maintain...those enclaves have no use for the central government. This is part of what has been missing in the equation in Afghanistan.

fchowd0311 · Aug 11, 2016

Mathloom said: ↑

Crying from laughter. Priceless when someone ignorant about basic middle east history/politics suggests a 60 year old, existing, failed plan as the solution.

Tremendous, really tremendous. *clap clap clap*

No worries guys, oil is becoming obsolete much sooner than you expect and even the most powerful, aggressive military in the modern history of the world won't be able to contain the **** storm that follows. I don't plan to be around for that party, but your peeps are welcome to stick around.

In reality though they will be out of here 2 seconds after the oil is worthless. We all know that. Maybe on that day, you'll do a little arithmetic and figure out proportionally how many more people were murdered in the Middle East more than were already murdering each other before your peeps got here. That's not specific to them, that's what happened with India, Spain, a dozen African countries, all throughout colonial history.

That's just what empire does, and frankly you have almost no say in it. I know Americans have a conscience and they tried to stop the Iraq war for example but to no avail. When state intelligence, military, executive and corporate media conspire against you without giving you a chance to organize, it is usually hopeless to even try. They learned how to deal with your voices in the 60's.

The process of extracting wealth by suppressing sovereign rights is always a bloody one. I know you're thinking they probably reduced the killing, but they didn't. We didn't have the means to kill this much, nowhere near it. And they supported one side of almost every war in the Middle East (and sometimes, both sides), and it wasn't always the good guys. It was, however, always the richer guys.

Combined with the fickleness with which they will just pick up and leave, you might even laugh at how ridiculous this invasion was. Then you will do a bit more arithmetic and ask yourself where the F is all the money from 60+ years of invasion? Everything is as bad as it ever was, YOU are tens of trillions of dollars in the hole at that point, no safer than you ever were, 99% of you will be no richer than your grandparents were and now their expansion into Africa will begin accelerating. It's actually already in the works.

That's the day you will figure out, they ****ed you and they ****ed us too. Those people are who they are. They are not going to be principally different to foreigners than they are to locals, they are just more restricted in what they're capable of doing to you. Don't spend another dime on a failed plan that's bleeding trillions of dollars from your tax money which could otherwise go to health or education or green energy. Extremely rich people and their obedient minions can't get over their xenophobia but you shouldn't have to suffer for that.

Do you genuinely care about democracy in some Middle Eastern country more than you do about helping poor Americans? How come when it's time to bomb some brown people, money appears out of thin air and it's ok to run up the deficit? But when it's time to feed one of the - for example - 46% of African American CHILDREN currently living in poverty in the wealthiest nation on earth... there's no money?

Let's help those kids out and everyone who needs helps desperately. There are a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of people in America who need help urgently more than there are people who would benefit in any way at all from any changes at all in the Middle East. The politicians tell you there's not enough money to go around. What do you do? Do we let them go ahead and try something they have failed at 99 out of 100 times? At what cost?

Wake up peeps. Hurt for your own people, just a little bit. It sucks, I know it sucks to hear what your empire is doing. But it's not your fault, you don't really have a hand in it. If you were making money from it or had a decisive say in it, I'd understand. But you're not. They are.
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You are the defining individual for the concept of 'bigotry of low expectations'.

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