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Why is everyone against upgrading at PG (in the near future)?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sen89, Nov 29, 2012.

  1. Louka

    Louka Contributing Member

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    Lin was brought here before Harden. Perhaps Morey did not consider a Lin-Harden Tandem. Perhaps if Harden was brought to Houston first, Morey would not have wanted Lin.

    Perhaps not. Just pointing that out.
     
  2. Louka

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    IMO we've made major progress on the PGs weve had in the past. I think we'll be able to do the same with Lin. PATIENCE!!!!!:mad: :p
     
  3. BraveFox

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    i like lin but how about jj barea as a 2nd unit pointgard
     
  4. Carl Herrera

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    So, who do you want that is available? It is all good and well to talk in theory, but theoretical PGs don't exist. Real PGs with real contracts exist. Name some names.

    For my money, I would not mind getting either Lowry or Dragic back and bring Lin off the bench. But these guys may or may not be available. Most "good" players, in fact, are not that easy to trade for.

    Also, keep in mind that Morey's goal isn't just to upgrade any particular position, or to increase immediate win totals, but to get a 2nd elite players and become a title contender. Some guys may be upgrades to current Röckëts, but the price for acquiring them (in terms of young "assets" and cap space, etc) may well not be worth it. Basically, the argument you make about getting an Al Jefferson type applies to a PG trade as well.
     
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  5. catch22

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    Useless thread. OP is just trying to stir up some shix. Why dont you make yourself more useful by telling us which pg that is making less than 8 million a year would you trade for Lin
     
  6. Allegro

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    Because Lin haters like Aruba77 are delusional all around, not only when the topic is Lin.
     
  7. ch0c0b0fr34k

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    You can tell this thread is bait because the author isn't even trying to start a meaningful discussion, he doesn't suggest any players. No effort = *****ty threads. Exposed.
     
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  8. Nimo

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    So you're saying Lin is not servicable and can't handle the ball?
     
  9. EarlIII

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    Somehow, you think that all players play in a bubble. You see the NBA as just a game of H-O-R-S-E.

    Maybe Patterson is getting all these open shooting looks because someone else is drawing his defender away from him? Maybe Asik's scoring is up because someone is finding him when he's open? Maybe Harden's scoring is up because someone knows when he's hot and will just keep on feeding the hot hand instead of trying to kill the momentum by chucking up shots.

    There's a team I know that is built around your theory that compiling high scorers leads to automatic wins. That team scored 77 points last time and lost to a team below 500.
     
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  10. Louka

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    Goran Dragic? lol
     
  11. pnr

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    Knee jerk. You don't even let the young guys develop together. They've played 15 games together with Harden not being at training camp. They need time to develop chemistry.
     
  12. EarlIII

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    Bring Brandon Jennings to the Rox and he'll probably average 25/pts a night. But then Parson's, Asik's, Patterson's scoring will plummet because Jennings is just another chucker who plays no defense.
     
  13. TEXNIFICENT

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    I know right! LOL. I'm no LOF, but that's trollin' at its finest.
     
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    So all this hubbub and the best suggestions for replacements are Dragic (unavailable for obvious reasons) and Jennings (the semi-reformed chucker)?

    Surprised that no one is making a case for Bledsoe (though he is also practically unavailable and has not shown he can run a team).
     
  15. Rip Van Rocket

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    It doesn't sound like you understand about being patient, and did you see Lin play last year?

    I'm sure Morey is always looking to upgrade any position on our team if he can, and that includes the point guard position.
     
  16. roxxy

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    Ugh don't get me started on Bledsoe. He too can't run an offense. Neither can Jennings. The Bucks half court offense is atrocious. No wonder Ersan has been struggling of late.
     
  17. Second_Cousin

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    Jose has been critical of Lin but he actually makes a lot of sense here. Lin's cult following and the rebirth of linsanity may well need to go through the route of his being the FIRST option in the SECOND unit against the opposing SECOND units. To be a Ginobilli or dare I say it, an OKC harden sixth man type of player. He won't have to compete with a max contract player for the ball...
     
  18. allanivan

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    :grin:this
     
  19. pnr

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    People who say Brandon Jennings don't realize the problem here. Both Lin and Harden are ball-dominant and require the ball to be in their hands to be effective. Brandon is a ball-dominant guard and needs the ball in his hands. He is a chucker and plays very little defense. I don't see how this will solve the problem. I agree that the team would do well with a 3-point shooting specialist at "pg", since Harden is this team's point guard right now anyway. I still believe the Harden-Lin tandem can work, it just needs time.
     
  20. BeeBeard

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    Hmm, I like this question better than the one in the OP:

    Jrue Holiday, 2.6 mil (jumps to 11 mil next season)
    Kyle Lowry, 5.7 mil
    Kyrie Irving, 5.5 mil
    Brandon Jennings, 3.1 mil
    John Wall, 5.9 mil
    Mike Conley, 7.1 mil
    Ty Lawson, 2.5 mil (jumps to 10.7 next season)
    Ricky Rubio, 3.7 mil
    Goran Dragic, 7.5 mil
    Stephen Curry, 3.9 mil (jumps to 9.8 next season)


    It's a longer list than I thought, but that is a list of point guards who are unquestionably better than Jeremy Lin, and whose salaries count for less against the salary cap. Two things to point out:

    - Jeremy Lin's salary is just 5 million this season, not 8. Eight is his contract salary as it counts against the cap each season, including the last backloaded season, if I'm not mistaken. So it's a little confusing to begin with.

    - Jeremy Lin is the best point guard realistically available, making this thread entirely moot. In fact almost all of the players on that list are completely unavailable. Maybe Brandon Jennings, since he is the One Guy who has not been locked up with a long term deal at this point. That's pretty much it.

    For $5 million a year, Lin is a real bargain. In two seasons he will probably have developed into a good bargain at $8 million a year. I find myself unconcerned with point guard "upgrades" at the moment.
     

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