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Who will be better: Dallas or Houston?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by BigDog63, Oct 21, 2014.

  1. redefined

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    Devin Harris and Monta Ellis at 4 and 8 million are easily movable
     
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    4 years of Harris at $4 mil is not

    Neither is 2 years of Monta at $8
     
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    His statement was Mavericks can't sign a max player while the rockets can, indicates he is referring to next offseason in free agency. According to how much money the Mavericks have tied up next year (15mm of which is in player options), they can easily sign a max player (maybe two), and still have enough space to find some solid veterans. I like that approach much better than signing D league players to one million dollar contracts to fill a roster after swinging and missing on big name free agents...

    And why exactly would you want to trade Ariza when you just signed him? i never understood this argument. What could you possibly get in return that would add more value than what he currently brings on a stand alone basis? Wouldn't a team rather take on a 15.5 mm expiring contract in Tyson in some sort of package?
     
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    Player options do not provide flexibility.

    They are pretty much the worst for that.
     
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    You keep posting garbage. Just admit you didn't realize their cap situation and you spoke out of your ass when you made that statement rather than trying to justify whatever the hell youre trying to defend. And yes, I hope Ellis picks up his player option at 8mm.

    Bottom line is you stated as a fact that the mavericks cant sign a max player when they clearly can. I know what you were assuming, but a two second google search shows you were way off.
     
  8. Mr. Clutch

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    No, they can't. They'd have to move untradeable contracts or let Tyson go (losing a max player in the process).

    Sure, there might be a dumbass team that takes Ellis or Harris contracts, but that's not likely.

    The Rockets are in a very flexible position compared to the Mavs.

    They gave Felton, Ellis, and Harris player options LOL!
     
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    Tyson is a free agent at the end of the year. For crying out loud, look at the damn links I posted. Mavericks have more cap space than the rockets next year, even with the player options. Are all rockets fans this dumb :eek:
     
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    The difference is almost all Tyson Chandler, who is a max player.

    So they are stuck with crap and might lose one of their best players.

    The whole point I'm making is the Rockets can add a max player to their core of Harden-Howard while the Mavs can't add to their core (without losing part of their core).

    Look at the big picture, geez. I didn't realize my comments would be parsed in a court of law. The Rockets have flexibility to get better while the Mavs don't. The Rockets can get a guy like Rondo while the Mavs can't.
     
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    No. Morey has said the Rockets can improve by next seasons playoffs.
     
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    Expirings don't really have much value anymore, but people don't seem to have caught up, look at Gasol last year, the lakers best offer was a 2nd round pick. The reason is what you trade expirings for, middle length contracts, with the reduction in contract years (mle is 3 not 5, etc etc) and what is at the moment a massively increasing cap, teams don't really have any of these contracts that they need to dump for cap space the following year.

    And even if you absolutely have to do it (have you seen a team that needed to do this sort of trade recently?), a philadelphia exists that will charge you for cap space and not the player as well.
     
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    You've gone way too far the other way. Both those players are on fair contracts. Not every contract is gonna be an insane bargain.

    Monta with 2 years left and Trevor Ariza have similar trade value IMO

    And Harris at 4 million per year with the cap going up is a great contract for a third guard
     
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    monta has a player option at the end of this season barring injury he most certainly will not pick up
     
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    4 million per year for 4 more years is good for a 3rd guard? He's also 30, injury prone, and posted perhaps his worst season last year.

    Not sure who would trade for Monta since he can opt out unless he gets injured.
     
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    Who cares if the Mavs can sign a max guy. Dirk is old and soon to retire. The Mavs have a big problem. They are wasting these years trying to remain competitive but won't win a title, then they will have to do a real rebuild in a year or two because they have no cornerstone players.
     
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    Parsons can sit at the corner of this table.

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    Cap being at 70ish million? 4 million is more than fair for a player who you actually know. You're gonna get good defense, bad shooting, good penetration from Harris.

    Someone who really wants to clear additional space or wants a scorer (like Indy or something) could easily make a move for Monta.

    I don't know why the Mavs would want to trade away Monta in the first place though
     
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    40 yr old Dirk vs Ariza Howard and Harden. It's sad that it's going to be a battle honestly. Why? You should answer that.
     
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    Um Harris is a player who relied almost exclusively on his athleticism, which is why he's gotten worse every single year for about 6 years now (athleticism guards peak at about 25), and like his offense, his athleticism based defense has seen a pretty rapid decline, he's not awful but he really isn't good anymore either.

    Saying increasing cap is all well and good, but when it's a player you know is declining, know why he's declining and knowing there's no real way to prevent that steep decline short of pray for miracle, well yeah.
     

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