Since the statistics for Latinos are not given, let's assume Whites and Latinos commit crime at the exact same rate. And because Latinos are counted as "White" on the FBI crime report, let's do some simple calculations. Non-Hispanic White population: 197,000,000 Hispanic population: 54,000,000 Total: 251,000,000 Percent of Hispanics counted in the White population: 54/251 = 21.5% Now, let's subtract 21.5% from the White crime statistics to get an estimate for specifically White, non-Hispanic people. Murder: 4,000 - 860 = 3,140 Rape: 9,504 - 2,043 = 7,461 Robbery: 35,443 - 7,620 = 27,823 Aggravated Assault: 194,981 - 41,921 = 153,060 Total Violent Crime: 191,484 55% white, 45% black And that's assuming Latinos are committing crimes at the same rate as Whites. So it seems Blacks are committing a similar number of total violent crimes as Whites.
Except as other posters and your own stats show that whites do commit more crime than blacks. Further why single out murder when from the FBI statistics white commits far more other heinous crimes such as forcible rate? Even accepting murder as the basis for comparing crimes stats between races you are just accepting as apriori that white suspects versus black suspects are treated the same when it comes to murder. I can think of just off the top of my head three cases where a black suspect result in a murder wasn't the same as a similar case regarding a white suspect. Again though the stats show that overall whites commit many more crimes in all categories with the exception of murder and robbery. As you yourself state a white person is less likely to get caught in possession of drugs because there is less LE presence in white communities than black. That already points to a bias that skews the figures.
Except since may Hispanics, such as Pedro Martinez, would likely be classified as black so any accurate comparison would also subtract those from the black population. Accepting your math for now even if blacks and whites commit crime at the same rate as whites then we would still have to look at your original post which cited. 291 White deaths at the hands of LE and 147 Black deaths. If both are committing violent crime at the same rate then looking at rate per population of 78% and 13% for blacks (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html) Whites are 6 times more populous than blacks. The number of deaths though from LE for though is only about two times. Therefore blacks are still far more likely to be killed by LE than whites when normalized for population. That follows with the information in the link you provided from the Guardian showing that per million people blacks have been killed more often by LE than whites for this year.
You are comparing the number of people killed to the total populations. It makes more sense to compare the number of people killed to the total crimes committed by both groups, since people not committing crimes are not going to be confronted by the police and wouldn't even be in a position to get killed. So let's do that. Let's divide the number of Whites killed by police (291) by the total number of crimes Whites commit, subtracting for the Hispanic 21.5% (5,164 in thousands). Let's also divide the number of Blacks killed by police (147) by the total number of crimes Blacks commit (2,698 in thousands) The rate of both is: Whites: .056 Blacks: .054 Virtually identical. This tells me that based on the amount of crime each group commits, they are being killed by police at virtually the same exact rate.
Of course I have. And of course there are exceptions. But in general, the vast majority of those killed by police were committing a crime or committed a crime.
How do we know total number of percentage or pizza of crimes committed whether by rice, gender, food group, etc? How are we defining "crime committed"? Convictions? Arrests? Superhero powers? What percentage of crimes that occur have identifiable perpetrators? What percentage are false IDs that lead to arrest and/or conviction? Have any sources for anything been given? I think pizzas are getting off too easily, personally.
You misunderstood his post. Blacks do not commit crimes at the same per capita rate as whites, they commit the same number of overall crimes as whites, despite being 1/6 the population size. In other words, blacks commit crimes at six times the per capita rate as whites, roughly.
In fairness though, my statement was a little off. I said they commit a bit more total violent crimes than Whites. They actually commit a bit less total violent crimes than Whites. But you are right, my main point was that per capita, Blacks commit much more violent crime than Whites.
lol, This is not true. They commit more murders not the same amount of crime. Both you and the other guy need to start showing references. No one here is just going to believe your claims. Once you show concrete evidence I for one would happily believe you.
Here are the facts: Black people account for 13% of the population, but 39% of violent crime in 2013, and 28% of total crime White people account for 72% of the population, but 46% of violent crime in 2013, and 54% of total crime. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43 Just to note, I accounted for the Hispanic population, using 21.5%.
To put those numbers into perspective... Whites committed about 180,000 violent crimes in 2013. If Whites committed violent crime at the same rate as Black people commit violent crimes, Whites would have committed 750,064 violent crimes in 2013. Over 750 thousand!
And you attribute this to individuals making individual decisions. It's just a coincidence that all of these individuals are black.
Problem with your statement: 1) Arrests don't equal crimes. More importantly, to get to what you're really digging at, if whites and blacks "commit roughly the same amount of violent crime" why is the incarceration rate for black males six times higher than white males?
Still waiting for your data that police go just as hard after white murder suspects as black murder suspects (I know that's not true), that police are more concentrated in black areas, that white areas have much less police because there is little crime. I'd also like the stats how black people are much more likely to be stopped by police in white neighborhoods where there are so few police because there's little crime.
1. Of course arrests don't equal crimes. But it's the only data available. You cannot account for crimes when you don't know who committed the crime. 2. You are talking about the rate of black males vs. white males while comparing it to total crimes. If the total violent crimes are roughly the same between the two groups, then the total incarcerations should be roughly the same between the two groups. 39% compared to 34% is not a huge difference. So yes, the rate of incarcerations of Blacks is much higher than Whites, but the rate of violent crimes committed by Blacks is much higher than Whites.
1) You actually can go through NCVS data for a more complete picture but don't stop that from you claiming that "blacks commit in aggregate about the same amount of violent crime as (whites - Latinos)" based on # of arrests from a 2011 FBI study. 2) Using your adhoc formula (- latinos) spinning out of one year of crime data, the average black person has 416% more likelihood of "commiting" a violent crime than the average white person. Why then is the incarceration rate 600% higher? Why is the difference between the two, nearly 50%, "not a huge difference?". Think of the volume we're talking about. Any statistical discrepancy, no matter how minute, would play a role--nevermind 50%. Your data is actually even more damning when you paint it in the context of arrests vs incarceration rather than "crime" vs incarceration. The real point I'm trying to drive at is this: are you looking to diminish discrimination or are you looking to allege that it doesn't exist at all? If you're doing the former, can you kindly identify at what threshold you think activism is not justified? If you're doing the latter, good luck: even your own juked stats will contradict you. White lives matter: and so goes the heterosexual rights movement, and white history month.
