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Where Do the Rockets Go From Here – The Power Forward Position

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jtr, Aug 15, 2013.

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  1. daytripper

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    LMA is a much better player when he's in the low post next to the basket. He doesn't want to play C but that is his best position. As others have stated I'm sure Morey would take him for the right price but I don't see LMA as a 'must have' as far as finding a PF to play next to Dwight. If anything Dwight and LMA could have the same issues fitting together similar to Dwight and Pau last season.
     
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    i'm warming up to the ilyasova proposal. he'd be a good fit in the starting 5 and wouldn't cost too much, perhaps asik + dmo
     
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    That would be way too much. I can't see Morey selling Asik that short.
     
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  4. jtr

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    Wanted: PF who can shoot 36%+ from beyond the 3 point line and play good defense. Average rebounding and restricted area work also required. Salary: 7 figures.

    It seems like that should not be a hard position to fill.
     
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    admittedly, i'm not very high on dmo and would consider him somewhat of a salary dump in this trade. especially since ilyasova is a similar, but much better player.
     
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    Your going to see a different DMO next season. Definitely not a salary dump type of player.
     
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    I think Reshard Lewis is a good fit for the money
     
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  8. HMMMHMM

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    It is though, even if you lower the 3P% to 33%.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com...comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws_per_48

    There's not one PF on that list that fist your description. Ironically the closest guy just may be:

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    I still dismiss the notion that the starting PF on this team needs to be able to shoot 3s. All things equal it would be nice, yes, but PFs that are able to shoot 3s and play good D are very rare.
    I'd happily take the likes of Chris Bosh or Al Horford, give up a lot to get them and wouldn't worry for a second that they can't shoot 3s.
     
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  9. jtr

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    D-Mo possibly is the best candidate for the PF position, barring trade. His 3 point accuracy needs to improve by 7%, he is an average rebounder (the Rockets have good to great re-bounders at every other position) and his low post game is already advanced to say the least. However the big question is defense. The Lithuanian National Team is currently playing a modified zone which won't help. The added weight may help. We shall see.
     
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  10. DM'sVP

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    how would you guys feel about asik for Anderson then Lin for spencer hawes + 2nd round pick?
     
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  11. jtr

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    Well, perhaps Bosh or LMA or Horford might fit the bill, but none of them are available. Unlike Asik all three do have the ability to move their defender far enough away from the basket so that they could not help easily on dribble penetration from the other side. However each of them also brings a $6 million+ price tag over what is currently on the roster, so IMHO it is just a pipe dream.

    And the Rockets do not need a star at PF. They just need floor spacing, defense and general competence. Anything more than that is just a waste of money because you can never get enough shots to satisfy Parsons, Howard, Harden and {Bosh, Love, LMA, Horford etc}, not to mention the point guard, Lin.
     
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    Doesn't Anderson and Hawes play the same position?
     
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  13. DM'sVP

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    no hawes is a center and on the final year of his 6.5 mill contract
     
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    I don't think anyone including the FO would want to go into the next season with a PG depth chart of Bev/Brooks/Canaan.
     
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    3 point shooting at the 4 is not a requirement, but it is very useful.

    I agree that you'd acquire a Bosh-Horford level PF if they become available at the right price even if they can't shoot 3s. This is because they have a combination skills that are even more useful and harder to acquire than 3 point shooting. However, I would absolutely take 3 point shooting into account, and weigh it relatively heavily, if we are comparing otherwise similar-level players.
     
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    Ryan Anderson and Ersan Ilyasova are respectively the 4th and 5th best on the entire list that you linked to. Or am I missing something? If "plays good defense" is why you are leaving Anderson off, he was clearly good enough in his 2 years next to Howard.
     
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  17. jtr

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    I do find it interesting that people still seem to ignore the obvious shot rankings I have posted. LMA, a very good mid ranged shooter is incredibly inefficient from 2 point range compared to the Rockets complete roster last season from 3 point range. Bosh and Horford are not far off of LMA.

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tpbe2xUfWiu5oaTa8l2UGMAk7167_PxPxEZRX0bKUNY?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3axlYiOxISI/UhAXcr1zhiI/AAAAAAAAAKo/yTSwuuppGTY/s800/team%2520averages.jpg" height="100" width="800" /></a>

    It seems obvious when you look at FG% and eFG% that 2 point shots are of 24% less value per shot than 3 point shots. While very good mid and long range 2 point shooters are better than league average, so was the Rockets 3 point shooting last season.

    Given Morey's acquisitions over the past year, it would seem like he agrees also.
     
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  18. thisiscaketown

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    Actually, Amir Johnson fits. The Raptors would probably want a good amount from the Rockets, though.
     
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  19. Carl Herrera

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    I would not overpay for a mere Johnson.
     
    #99 Carl Herrera, Aug 17, 2013
  20. thisiscaketown

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    I wouldn't either, but he's a player that fits the criteria.
     
    #100 thisiscaketown, Aug 17, 2013
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