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When someone says "The Streak" they are talking about

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  1. Jeremy's Lin epic debut run of scoring and linning

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  2. Tracy McGrady's epic first round playoff exits

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  3. 2008 Rockets game winning streak

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  1. D12Eminem

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    15-0, and 22 straight different things....one we dominated early, told the WORLD who we were.....and promptly shoved it up NYK that year
     
    #41 D12Eminem, Nov 6, 2012
  2. tinman

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    e) none of the above, also nothing in the 90s was mentioned (tmac's first playoff exit was in 00)
     
    #42 tinman, Nov 6, 2012
  3. what

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    When I think about "The STREAK" as it relates to the rockets: I am more inclined to think about the Rockets opening up the 1993-94 season 15-0 and 23-1 over the first 24 games. Not only because it was a GREAT streak, but also because it actually LED to something.
     
    #43 what, Nov 6, 2012
  4. T_Man

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    tinman has always been the Sheriff and Historian..

    If some people be quiet and listen, they might just learn something.

    T_Man
     
    #44 T_Man, Nov 6, 2012
  5. cuddie

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    Rockets win 22 in a row: "Rockets accomplishment"
    Rockets lose in first round: "McGrady failure"

    Preach tinmac, preach.
     
    #45 cuddie, Nov 6, 2012
  6. tinman

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    I think you still have difficulty figuring out team vs individual.

    here's an example people were saying.

    94 Rockets started off 15-0, Hakeem Olajuwon played all 15 games (McGrady didn't play 22 games)

    this was a team accomplishment.

    Hakeem also won the MVP, Finals MVP, and Defensive Player of the Year that year.

    Individual accomplishments.
     
    #46 tinman, Nov 6, 2012
  7. DudeWah

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    It was when Tracy McGrady led the Rockets to a 22 game win streak in 2008 with Yao/Rafer/Battier/Landry/Hayes/Scola/Brooks/Novak even guys like Mike Harris all playing important roles.
     
    #47 DudeWah, Nov 6, 2012
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    If you were being sarcastic then disregard this. Please explain how this thread drives down the quality of this site? If you don't want to read, scroll your mouse onto next topic. *shrug.
     
    #48 Genesis, Nov 6, 2012
  9. tinman

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    incorrect. you can't get credited for 22 games when you didn't play in 22.

    This was a coaching and team effort.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2008_games.html


    G Date Opponent Tm Opp W L Streak Notes

    45 Tue, Jan 29, 2008 Box Score Golden State Warriors W 111 107 25 20 W 1
    46 Fri, Feb 1, 2008 Box Score @ Indiana Pacers W 106 103 26 20 W 2
    47 Sat, Feb 2, 2008 Box Score @ Milwaukee Bucks W 91 83 27 20 W 3
    48 Mon, Feb 4, 2008 Box Score @ Minnesota Timberwolves W 92 86 28 20 W 4
    49 Thu, Feb 7, 2008 Box Score Cleveland Cavaliers W 92 77 29 20 W 5
    50 Sat, Feb 9, 2008 Box Score Atlanta Hawks W 108 89 30 20 W 6
    51 Mon, Feb 11, 2008 Box Score Portland Trail Blazers W 95 83 31 20 W 7
    52 Wed, Feb 13, 2008 Box Score Sacramento Kings W 89 87 32 20 W 8
    53 Tue, Feb 19, 2008 Box Score @ Cleveland Cavaliers W 93 85 33 20 W 9
    54 Thu, Feb 21, 2008 Box Score Miami Heat W 112 100 34 20 W 10
    55 Fri, Feb 22, 2008 Box Score @ New Orleans Hornets W 100 80 35 20 W 11
    56 Sun, Feb 24, 2008 Box Score Chicago Bulls W 110 97 36 20 W 12
    57 Tue, Feb 26, 2008 Box Score Washington Wizards W 94 69 37 20 W 13
    58 Fri, Feb 29, 2008 Box Score Memphis Grizzlies W 116 95 38 20 W 14
    59 Sun, Mar 2, 2008 Box Score Denver Nuggets W 103 89 39 20 W 15
    60 Wed, Mar 5, 2008 Box Score Indiana Pacers W 117 99 40 20 W 16
    61 Thu, Mar 6, 2008 Box Score @ Dallas Mavericks W 113 98 41 20 W 17
    62 Sat, Mar 8, 2008 Box Score New Orleans Hornets W 106 96 42 20 W 18
    63 Mon, Mar 10, 2008 Box Score New Jersey Nets W 91 73 43 20 W 19
    64 Wed, Mar 12, 2008 Box Score @ Atlanta Hawks W 83 75 44 20 W 20
    65 Fri, Mar 14, 2008 Box Score Charlotte Bobcats W 89 80 45 20 W 21
    66 Sun, Mar 16, 2008 Box Score Los Angeles Lakers W 104 92 46 20 W 22

    No Tracy McGrady
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    Also he wasn't the best player each night .
    Look at Yao Ming.
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    #49 tinman, Nov 6, 2012
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    Will Ferrel in "Old School"! Classic!
     
    #50 shaggylambda, Nov 6, 2012
  11. DudeWah

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    How many games did he play out of the streak and how many did Yao? McGrady played in most of the games. Close enough..
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    How can you just give it to coaching? Rick Adelman was really stinking it up prior to the streak. IIRC there were lots of calls for his head and to "bring back JVG." That being said though, I do think he deserves a lot of credit because he drew up some great offensive sets. That play for the Novak 3 to keep the streak alive was very smart. Everyone collapsing on McGrady and the dish out was perfect.
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    You are right though. It was a team effort. That's why I listed all the players I did. They squad just so happened to be led by T-Mac. It was never "Rick the Ruler" :p
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    This brings me to my next point. You're right, he was not the best player EVERY single night. There were a few nights that Yao absolutely filled up the stat sheet. However, McGrady's presence alone made him invaluable to the streak. His superstar ability carried us for stretches at a time. For that, I do think he was the most important piece of that streak. No T-Mac, no streak. It's that simple.
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    I will also say that as much crap as I gave Rafer Alston he carried us in that last win against the Lakers. I'll probably never get him dropping 3's from erry'where on LA. Oh, and this:

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    #51 DudeWah, Nov 6, 2012
  12. tinman

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    So you can't attribute Tracy being solely responsible for the winning streak since:

    1. he didn't play all those games
    2. he wasn't the best player every night

    Let's compare that to the Rockets 15 game winning streak in 94. Hakeem Olajuwon.
    1. he did play all those games
    2. he was the best player every night

    Still a team accomplishment, and still people say the ROCKETS WON 15 in a row. Not HAKEEM WON 15 in a row.

    I credit Tracy McGrady in his early years to be probably the best player on the team, however the Tracy fans in pure jealousy of Kobe Bryant and others like Lebron or Dwade or Tim Duncan have to say something to save face against superior super stars. So they take a team accomplishment and say it was solely his accomplishment.

    JVG's complete trust in McGrady and Yao got him canned.
    Rick Adelman believed in team ball movement, and that helped the team win games regardless of how many superstars are available.

    See how the Rockets won a playoff series without McGrady.
    Rick Adelman

    Rick the Ruler

    Rick > Tracy
     
    #52 tinman, Nov 6, 2012
  13. split41

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    I can't believe the results of this poll, or are people voting for lin to re-troll tinman.

    Troll counter with troll response? :confused:
     
    #53 split41, Nov 6, 2012
  14. DudeWah

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    Mmm, honestly I still don't think Rick Adelman was ever the right coach for the Rockets. I think the Rockets got a huge boost because Morey's Ascension to GM coincided with the Adelman hiring. If JVG was still around with the personnel Morey acquired. Well...I wonder what could have been.

    McGrady was the best player on the team in every year he played here other than the 08-09 season. Do you really want to debate this?

    I don't think I ever said he is SOLELY responsible. Did I? This is your biggest problem brah. You get so into the point that you want to make that you project whatever you want the other's argument to be onto them and ignore what they are actually saying.

    Meanwhile what you are doing is claiming that the Rockets won a playoff series because of Rick Adelman. Similarly to how the Rockets did not have the streak SOLELY because of McGrady, attributing the playoff series win SOLELY to Adelman is fallacious.

    I stand by McGrady being the most important player during the streak. Can you argue this point?

    Your other point is also relevant to what I am saying. The Rockets had that 15 game win streak. But, it was Hakeem that led them to it. No Hakeem no 15 game win streak. No championship. You should know this better than anyone.

    As for the other random stuff about being jealous of Kobe and whatnot. That is completely irrelevant and a nonsensical point that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
     
    #54 DudeWah, Nov 6, 2012
  15. tinman

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    No, people have different views on what 'the streak' means.
     
    #55 tinman, Nov 6, 2012
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    Dude.
    JVG brought in his own guys, ex-Knicks,
    Mark Jackson, Charles Oakley, Charlie Ward, etc

    Rick Adelman brought in his own guys, ex-Kings,
    Bobby Jackson, Kevin Martin, etc

    You and I have clearly different views of JVG vs Adelman. Do you remember how bad we were on offense with JVG? No don't blame it on the GM, the GM is there to evaluate talent and bring in talent that FITS THE COACH's system.

    I'll give you a good example on coaching differences. Skip to my Lou, as you reference, was HORRIBLE with JVG. he was basically a spot up shooter.
    Under Adelman, he was a true point guard who passed the ball.

    Rick > JVG , all day, every day.
     
    #56 tinman, Nov 6, 2012
  17. tinman

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    No Tracy no first round playoff exit.
    You know this.
    [​IMG]

    I loved that season, the Rockets came together and realize that they can win as a team. No divas just teammates.
     
    #57 tinman, Nov 6, 2012
  18. DudeWah

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    I don't think this is a valid point. If we had no t-mac do you think we would have won the Dallas series? The Utah series? The other Utah series?
     
    #58 DudeWah, Nov 6, 2012
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    Tracy is good to make a team a playoff team.
    And that's it. It's proven, there's no debate about that.

    I hate hypothetical situations, but we didn't win with him.
    Did we win with Ron and Yao ? yes. And Ron was past his prime with us.

    We couldn't win with Tracy and Yao in their primes.
    This has already happened.

    If you just don't name names and teams and I tell you this.

    One NBA team has lost in the first round of the playoffs 4 times. Is this team a contender?
    The correct answer is no.

    Also, for your JVG vs Rick Adelman
    Rick never had a losing season with the Rockets. And JVG got Tracy in his prime.

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    #59 tinman, Nov 6, 2012
  20. HR Dept

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    The 2007-2008 season was the year. :(

    I'll never forget getting home from class and turning on ESPN in time to see "BREAKING: Yao Ming Out for Season" on the ticker."
     
    #60 HR Dept, Nov 6, 2012
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