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What's up with people thinking Yao can't play in Rick's offense?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Dec 28, 2009.

  1. aelliott

    aelliott Contributing Member

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    So you don't think that Adelman wants Yao (who is a star) back? I'd have to disagree. I think that the flaw in your logic is that you're still thinking that McGrady is a star. He isn't and Adelman said the same in this weekend's interviews. If McGrady were able to play at the level he use to be at then Adelman changes things. The problem is that he's no longer at that level.
     
  2. MightyMog

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    Its not if Yao can fit, its if he can last......

    The first thing Rick needs to do is stop playing people for prolonged periods of time. Cough cough like Ariza this year and Yao last year.

    The dreaded whole 1st quarter into 3-4mins of the 2nd quarter and than repeat for the 2nd half, except Rick brings Yao back sooner if the game is close in the 4th.

    Where is the 8 minute each quarter, that Yao played in his first 2-3 years (the years he avoided injury)
     
  3. Yetti

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    Agreed!! But one has to realise that Adelman's main coaching weakness is his substitutiion paterns. He needs to be told about it! Yes he is overplaying Ariza!! :p
     
  4. Yetti

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    If I am not mistaken Adelman has already laid the foundation for this scenario just as he did for the McGrady saga, by stating that he is troubled about how Yoa will fit into the team and is how he will adjust the playiong time or words to that effect. So this is what influences me to distrust Adelman as still being a player's coach.
    On the othe hand I could be completely wrong. Mc Grady might have shown in team practices that he is unable to continue as an NBA player.
    If this is the case then Adelman is still a deceiver for not telling it as it is!! :p
     
  5. TheGreat

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    Yao doesn't have the passing ability nor the mid range shot (consistent enough) to fit in this system.

    He'll fit in other ways though.
     
  6. EssTooKayTD

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    Know what's weird? When Yao first came here, he did have that skill set. Now, not so much. Just too turnover prone.

    Remember the slap pass to Francis he did when he was first here? That was sweet!

    Yao CAN play that high post passing center, but why in the world would you do that? He is 7'6'' and shoots a high percentage from the field and the FT line. You put that big ****er in the post.
     
  7. abc2007

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    To all Yao's fans (including myself): if you are dreaming that Yao will be still our no.1 offense option, you are insane! I cannot imagine that the rockets will give up Landry and give the ball to Yao's hands in the 4th quarter. Yao will be still useful in Adelman's system, but more about defense.

    I think Yao and his agents wait and see how's his rehab going. If he can be 80
    + % of his old form. I don't think he will resign with the rockets. The small ball never win the title. Yao and his agents know it clearly.
     
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  9. aelliott

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    Funny, I'm still hearing Morey tell everyone that will listen that the plan is to build around Yao. What am I missing? What's the foundation that is being laid?I'm not familiar with anything that would lead me to believe that Yao isn't the centerpiece of next year's team.

    It's not a matter of whether McGrady can be an NBA player. It's a matter of does he fit this current team. Those are two different things. A player can be a bad fit for one team, yet be a contributor elsewhere.

    As far as Adelman be being a deciever. If he really did think that McGrady had no game left, would you want him to say that? Purely hypothetical, but let's say they looked at McGrady in practice and saw that he was done. What would be the proper course of action? Tell the world that he's through? He's more tradeable if he's able to play so you need to show the world he can play. Hmm...let's see. If we play him a few minutes a game, then teams know he's healthy enough to play but they won't see enough to know that he has nothing left. Sounds like good marketing to me. If Adelman or any coach ever comes out and says that a former elite player is through, then that coach will catch all kind of heat for being classless.
     
  10. TheGreat

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    True, I remember when Mac came in here and I thought we really had a great chance because I knew both were REALLY good passers at there positions. To bad our role players aren't what they are today.

    Yao needs to be in the low post at all times but I have a feeling he can't play more then 30 minutes anymore.
     
  11. raj87

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    I propose that Jeff Van Gundy escorts Yao Ming into the Houston locker room at the start of training camp. His mission will be to reintroduce Yao Ming, the best low post scorer in the league, to the Houston Rockets. :p
     
  12. Carl Herrera

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    Fixed. Adelman never rejected a "star performer" before as far as I can remember. Not Clyde, not Webb, not Vlade, not Yao, and not even Tracy until this year. Why do you think he's changed all of a sudden?

    This whole notion about "Adelman just wants his personal troop of zealots" is simply silly. Coaches will play guys who can help him win the game, simple as that. Adelman is not convinced Tracy McGrady is helping in his current condition.
     
  13. abc2007

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    Keep dreaming!

     
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    People just don't want to wake up from their dreams.

     
  15. BucMan55

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    Ugh, last year Yao's minutes were his lowest since 04-05. Yao had a spike in minutes during the 07-08 season so Adelman played him a bit less in 08-09. Not to mention Yao himself said it wasnt the in-game minutes that hurt him over the years, it was the practice minutes. Well, they ALSO reduced his practice minutes last year and it helped. He had his healthiest season in a long time.
     
  16. Dave_78

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    Yao will fit just fine. He'll play fewer minutes and on some nights very few but he will still give this team the size, defense and another go-to man it needs. Last night, his presence would have completely changed the game in a good way for Houston. Other nights, his slow feet will slow the offense down and on those nights he will spend more time on the bench watching small ball do it's thing.

    Having the option of going BIG with another deadly post scorer is never a bad thing. It's just now we have the option of also going small and quick. Options are good.
     
  17. Drawkwa22

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    haha i love the rhyming quote that doesn't work at all since you put the punchline in perenthesis.
     
  18. professorjay

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    Exactly. It's like people never saw a fast break before. You don't need or expect all 5 guys to transition in 7 seconds. Least of all your center.
     
  19. BucMan55

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    500 year old Kareem Abdul Jabbar didnt seem to get in the way of Magic and Worthy. Heck, on some breaks, he even plodded down court and finished some as the trailer.

    On Morey's latest tweet he talked about how the Rockets had 19 quick offense opportunities(with 19 or more seconds left on the shot clock), and that many would usually net them about 24 points. Last night they only got 10 points on those chances. Thats probably about 18-20% of the possessions that could potentially have Yao rest on offense without having to run up the court. Heck, that keeps him fresher for those possessions where we need to grind out points.
     
  20. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Of course Yao fits but I tell the detractors this, maybe Yao fits, maybe he doesn't, bottom-line, without him we don't have a chance at a title. As good as this team has been have we forgotten already? It is way better WITH him. I guess people prefer lower expectations.
     

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