Whats better for the future of the Franchise? Being 3-5 seed/Tanking & Lottery Pick.

If your an all star would you rather sign with-

-A culture of high class good players who have great chemistry
-a dominant PG in Lowry, and great surrounding cast
-a state tax free city(making around 8% more yearly than you would in LA)
-Warm weather city
-Central time zone(easier travel)
-Breakfast Klub
-Hall of fame player as coach, likeable personality, good report with players
-Winning team, but missing ONE player who would make them a contender


or would I rather sign with a team who kicked the ball out of bounds to loose games because they want a higher draft pick?????

 

Tanking is quickest way to turn your team around...chances of landing a superstar Dwight/Dwill is lower then rockets tanking and drafting a superstar...it's too late to tank this year...but rockets are just putting of the inevitable...Kmart, Scola, Dalembert have no future with the rockets..and their productivity is declining...trade them while their value his high...

Most team acquire there superstar through the draft not through trades....How did OKC get Durant...How did Timberwolves get Love...Clippers get Blake...Portland get Aldridge...if your not a top 5 destination media market..draft is your best option..you've seen all these teams pass the rockets talent wise..because they tanked...while the rockets have remained stagnant..those team futures are far bright then the rockets..chances are half of our roster won't be here...ride with what we got!?...what we got isn't very good..Rockets are on a hot streak right now...

Rockets are winning cause they out hustle other teams..but in the playoffs..everyone gives 110% so talent wins out in playoffs!!!...even if your a hot team..it's hard to maintain that level of play...I want a championship..i'm tired of mediore

 

Strawman. No one is asking anyone to kick a ball out of bounds. That's not what "tanking" is. Players would not and should not agree to give anything other than 100% on every play. Tanking is trading away vets or reducing their minutes....going with the young guys. It's a management decision..not a player decision. The guys who are put on the court should be playing their hardest.

 

You need to study your Rocket history.

Signed,
Akeem

 

Answer: Neither. FA all-stars sign with teams that already have superstars or resign with their current team. That's why tanking for a lotto pick is necessary to get a star.

 

Hakeem, Kobe, Yao, Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Dwight, Dwill, Paul... Franchise changing players are acquired through the draft...Seems like more people would be pro tank!!

 

Rockets need to get of the mediocrity treadmill and TANK!!!

 

This team has 3 players considered Veterans. They obviously are looking to trade Scola upon first quality bid. How in the world are they not playing the young guys? Martin's minutes... down.... Scola's minutes..... majorly down.... Dalembert... yeah.

Your problem and others alike is that guys like Lowry, Patterson, Parsons, Bud arent who you would consider high upside "Marketable" players because of a variety of different reasons. Some of those reasons being media attention, hype, draft position, and physical stature/looks. Yes even looks.

Your right in some respect, but Morey filling his roster up with players like Bud, Parsons, Patterson is EXACTLY what a team that is tanking by your definition of "tanking" would be doing.

The only problem is, they are actually doing well despite being young, when most teams would not. That speaks high of the work ethic, coaching, and team chemistry. So what would you do with that, bring in a team of knuckleheads, or not invest in player development? Sounds kinda like kicking the ball out of bounds.

So what do you want to do? Kick the ball out of bounds or let them play? The whole, play the young guys argument is ridiculous.

 

Ok, well they already have a budding all-star PG in Lowry who is in his mid 20's. Sounds like they are closer to attracting someone then they are tanking.

 

At the beginning of the season Morey said in a press conference that he knew the fastest way to rebuild was to be bad enough to matter in the draft lottery. He went on to say Les wouldn't allow it. What I'm suggesting is that Les listen to Morey.

 

Don't forget we make the playoffs we lose our first rd pick to new jersey. Stupid trade but stuck with it. Unless we make a big trade this year there's no way we can win the title this year need to miss playoffs get decent draft spot and use that and Knicks pick to move further up.

 

Despite what he said in a press conference Morey is doing the exactly what a team "tanking" by your definition would be doing. More than likely Les and Morey have had their share of discussions, but it look like Morey won the argument.

Making moves like trading fan favorites like Battier had to be sold to Les no doubt. You cant think for a minute that Les has never questioned moves like that, and Morey has had to sell him on the rebuilding argument.

Going young and winning is almost happening on accident. By all accounts they should be sucking it up majorly. They are young. They arent just going young.

Les didnt want them to openly tank, I understand that. That would mean cutting back on player development, and expressing it to their coaching staff that they dont want to draw up plays to win, practice hard, etc. Believe me, other teams HAVE in fact gone that route.

The Rockets are "tanking", they just arent very good at it.

 

is that right? then why is that 4 out of the 9 (Kobe, Lebron, Dwill, Paul) the guys you listed are not playing for the teams that drafted them? Also, a 5th guy (Dwight) will be on another team soon enough.

Look, i would love to tank and draft a superstar, but if Daryl Morey started making one sided trades, just to lose- we would get even more heat than the grizzlies got when they trade Pau to the Lakers. We may not be able to win a championship with this team, but I do think we can make some noise in the playoffs (2nd round and beyond potentially).

I think it is safe to say that the majority on this board trust and love Morey. lets let him do his job, while in the mean time root for whatever product they put on the court. They are clearly doing something right.

 

Look...Cleveland had there chance...Orlando had their chance...the both went to the big dance(Finals) ...Utah was a contender for a long time...if all superstars will leave for bigger markets why acquire a superstar at all...what I'm saying is that those players turned around those franchises..when was the last time the rockets were in the Finals!!..hmmm..its sad those teams lost their superstars both those franchises were closer to a championship then rockets have been in a long long time..

 

Even with home court advantage?

 

The list of teams that have attracted a franchise player based on free agency in the last 20 years:

LAL: Shaq
PHX: Nash
ORL: McGrady
Miami: Lebron, Bosh
Phil: Brand
Atl: Joe Johnson
NY: Amare

That's it. Melo and Paul both used their FA leverage to help, but those moves were essentially trades rather than FA signings.

The best 2 FAs (Shaq and Lebron) went to teams that already had all-nba level players and were in favorable locations. Nash and McGrady are the best of the rest, and each went to places where they had very strong personal ties.

So actually it's harder to sign a franchise player in free agency than it is to draft one. There's roughly one franchise player in the draft per year. But only about 0.4 franchise players change teams per year in free agency, and those moves are biased in favor of teams that already have superstars. Lowry isn't bad, but is no DWade or Kobe in terms of drawing power.

 

Kobe was traded before he ever stepped foot on a NBA court by the Bobcats (then Hornets) but for the others you are on the clock once you do get your star. Cleveland, Orlando, Hornets, etc they all had their shot and they got it through the draft. But if you have poor management and you surround your star player with poor players, expect them to bail.

What's your goal - get to the 2nd round or win a championship? Mine is to win the championship and I don't believe we are a mid-teen player away from being a true contender

 

This is pretty r****ded to be posting this at this point in the season. In about 5 games we'll be at the mid point. There are currently 7 teams with 19+ (i.e. ten or more games behind us) losses already. Even if we got rid of our whole starting squad we would still put up a a higher winning percentage than any of those teams for the back stretch of the season. In short, even if we tank our chances of landing a top 5 pick are miniscule. So go back to sleep, or go cheer for the Heat or something. We're not tanking. and as much as you guys like to prop up OKC as a model of success what about the countless times this track has failed. Washington, Toronto, Golden State, Clippers (say what you will but they stunk until a superstar forced a trade to their team, even with Griffin), Sixers, Sacramento, Charlotte, Detroit, New Jersey, Minny (still not better than us after drafting two stars and hasn't made a playoff since 2007).

 

Nonsense, they stunk from the beginning and they were plagued by injuries. They did not hold the fourth seed in the Western Conference and then decide to liquidate all their good players in order to get a chance at the at the coin flip (it wasn't even a lottery back then).

 

It is to late to tank to get a top three pick. At the beginning of the season I would still say tanking because at the end of free agency next year we will not have Howard or any other superstar. Now the Rockets need to win now and get the highest seed possible. Don't see them winning on the road in the playoffs so they need the homecourt. Those great tanking teams in the East along with the Hornets win not win 15 games that five teams. Just have to hope the Knicks get us the 6th pick