One thing leftists and Islamists have in common is that they like to blame the USA and Israel for everything. Two version of totalitarian ideologies: Fanatical socialism and fanatical Islamism.
That's a nice beating up of a straw man. This planet is under U.S. hegemony for decades now(more specifically right after WW2) which we can all agree is an objective statement. A hegemony will naturally have massive influence. It's only rational to believe that the current state of the Middle East is PARTLY the hegemony's fault.
All of the good in the world today is because of the United States. All of the bad in the world today is because of the Communist Pigs.
There's a nasty refugee problem going on right here because of the drug war in Mexico but yet Americans want to send their soldiers to a different part of the world. Cartels like Los Zetas have trained soldiers and mercenaries and are in Mexico burning people and cutting off people's heads and doing disgusting shyt to girls and boys. They even have a twisted worshipping practice of Santa Muerte (the grime reaper saint) for those who like to point to religion. But I guess some Americans care more about the well being of Europe (long live the king) and Israel (the promise land for organized crime) than their own.
What a load of bull****. Even the most "leftist" people in America are proud to be Americans, believe that we are the best country on the planet, and would defend the country if called upon to do so. "Fanatical socialism" doesn't exist in America and even if it did, is so far removed from fanatical Islamism that the cognitive dissonance in making such a comparison should be causing a migraine in your head right about now. Sadly, I don't believe that you've actually thought about it enough to cause such dissonance, but that's just par for the course.
Really? Come on man, your analysis is usually better than that. It's not the fact that they are allies which determines the foreign policy behavior. It's the foreign policy behavior - which has a clear distinguishable pattern - that determines who's an ally today. Saddam was an ally. The Shah was an ally. Your allies are not Saudi Arabia and Israel. Your allies are the right wing lobbyists in Israel and one specific family in Saudi Arabia. If any of those governments switch hands to a more humanitarian party, the alliance is done. That's how it's always been. Which goes back to your initial statement. If you're claiming that these COUNTRIES are your allies, then it's absolutely without debate false that the US does not abandon ally countries on a regular basis. If you're saying that the US gets friendly with any person who will impose total support for US neocons and neoliberals, and that they don't abandon those people, you're right. Just like they didn't abandon Mubarak till it was out of hand. Just like they never ever even for a single day abandoned the Egyptian military. Just like they supported till the final minutes the immigrant terrorists in South Africa who jailed Nelson Mandela. Just like they supported Suharto till the last minute. So on and so forth. Should the government "abandon" (lol) its allies? Well, that depends. If we look, for one example, at a tyrannical dictatorship where people are brutally oppressed and under served by the government, a population which is ridden with miseducation, inequality and no avenues to make any grievances to their tools of government - a population which is producing a high % of what many here narrowly describe as terrorists who mean to hurt American interests and people abroad... If your goal is to do what's in the interest of Americans which is to protect them and use their money fairly, then yes, probably you should get out and realize the entirety of money which goes towards staying there is gigantic compared to what ends up coming back to regular Americans. All the money out, mostly from non-rich people vs all the money in, mostly into the pockets of rich people. That money then produces the Kock Brothers and the Adelsons and the Trumps and the Cheneys of the world. However, if we take that same circumstance and your goal is to maximize the profit which ends up in the pockets of people who in turn can exercise dominance over Americans against their interests, send jobs abroad without making available better jobs, then yeah you should stay. Really strange how Americans can ignore the fact that they have been financially robbed in a simple churning exercise. It's so blatant and so many Americans are suffering. It does not cost this much to protect you. You do not have a situation more secure from foreign attacks than the average industrialized country. They do it by NOT ****ing with other people's rights so much. It means less people try to attack them, so they spend a fraction of the money you do to get the same result. Brilliant right. The cost of keeping this going? One step away from chaos. Once Latino americans are secure as legal immigrants and not afraid to be disappeared into the cartel-dominated mexican oligarchy, the poor latino americans are going to join the poor african americans and anglo americans in this movement. Then it's going to cost a lot more than it's costing you now. And nothing is less secure than a country during an uprising. Nothing at all.
The oil interest and craving out a piece of land for Israeli has a profound effect in that area. You talk about being responsible and accountable. We are responsible and accountable for some of those problems in that area. It's not all their and all our. Who know what the solution is, but let's not pretend we don't have a responsibility to be part of the solution when we are well integrated in that area's politic, economic, and power. Maybe the solution is we just get the heck out of there. But I think it's too late for that.
It's never been so much about actually owning the oil. The oil is traded openly anyway. It's about controlling the production and pricing and proceeds of oil. That's economically tantalizing to the 1%ers regardless of whether the US is self sufficient or not. Doesn't really matter to anyone, that's just money going from one billionaire to another, hardly affects any Americans nevermind the real industry.
Don't forget exposure to the same things which drive Americans crazy. Humongous corporations mistreating decent working people, making them work more, paying them less, sending the profits out of their economy, getting massive subsidies, bribing doctors to push drugs on people, using all sorts of pesticides/chemicals in foods which they're not allowed to use elsewhere, annihilating their ability to pursue liberty and sovereignty, pumping them with fear through the media, undertaking major PR projects to make children less interested in society... More? What about the trauma of having nuclear weapons pointed at them for decades? Most Americans don't know that's actually the case. All Arabs know that's the case... More? Funding fake uprisings against the relatively most democratic political movements, assassinating nuclear scientists, blaming them for terrorist groups created out of hatred for you even though they mostly kill Arabs, building humongous expansive luxurious palace-like consulates and embassies, being treated worse by their own police than foreigners are, having less freedom than foreigners do, etc... More? Supporting people who have oppressed and killed the most Arabs in the past 70 years, drawing new borders which miraculously split cultures exactly in half and cage opposing groups together, ignoring protests in your media, arming the only non-Arab country in the region with nuclear weapons, supplying all anti-protest weaponry, training their torturers and intelligence officers... More? Forcing them to deposit proceeds from oil in US banks, forcing them to link to the dollar, sending them college books written by george bush's best friends, but most of all.. Worst of all.. Justin Bieber. We'll never forgive you for that, you assholes. #NeverForget
I understand why people can say ISIS was a result of iraq war but US didn't make ISIS burn people alive, rape innocent girls or cut a journalist or aid worker head head off.
I would just like to point out that the group doing more than anyone else in the region of fighting ISIS and reclaiming land and communities from them are the radical leftist YPG (People's Protection Units) -- who are neither totalitarian nor are they playing any sort of blame game -- unless you count them criticizing Turkey (a member of NATO and the U.S.'s primary ally in the region) for supporting ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria.
I'll agree with you to some extent. The US or any government for that matter likes dealing with continuity when it comes to foreign policy. Maybe you deem a different government "more humanitarian" (not that hard) but is entirely erratic on other matters like honoring business/corporate/trade agreements or past debts from the previous regime. The deck can be stacked against the country for an unfairly good reason, but that appeal only works in a populist scale and not a global one. For the subject matter of the Middle East and whether the US could abandon it, it wouldn't be without a huge loss of foreign prestige and credibility because of the very deals they've made with the governments I initially listed (and more). Those deals are more or less alliances which either party could walk away from but currently serve the interests of both. Walking away on an individual level maybe slightly negative, but wrt a collective, region wide basis, you're pretty much signaling you're undergoing a meltdown and a power vacuum is heading that region's way. The US can not walk away from Israel or the Saudis, regardless of nutjob ruling group. Having them even as a frenemy is much better than as an enemy. You could label them client states or a minority party, but that fact still remains. I'll respectfully sidestep the other bits of your reply as I hope the US continues to move away from decisions that swayed them during the Cold War. It still happens, and another generation is probably needed, provided the next big ideological global confrontation doesn't bubble up in the meantime.
don't worry, the leader of the free world will be on it after he's done checking out glaciers and doing a reality show
And you're busy changing the world on a message board. Sorry you can't multi-task like the rest of us, idiot.
