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What can Trump do to unite the country vs. divide?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by wizkid83, Jan 12, 2017.

  1. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

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    Well Trump could come out for single payer national health care like Canada. This is something in the past he has come out for when thinking logically like a businessman instead of trying to appeal to conservatives. . Besides it will take care of his thousands of employees at his hotels.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    Dude... He's just going to parrot what ever the **** Paul Ryan's plan is. He's a vapid empty shell.
     
  3. sirbaihu

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    The answer is easy: Trump can unite us by making everyone's life better than it is now.
     
  4. pirc1

    pirc1 Contributing Member

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    Yup. if he can improve infrastructure, bolster defense, cut everyone's tax, reduce deficit and reduce medical cost I would vote for him in four years.
     
  5. NewRoxFan

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    Here are some reasonable metrics:
    • Maintain or lower Obama's reduced unemployment numbers while also reducing the labor participation rate that republican's complained about the past eight years.
    • Reduce the income and poverty gaps, again, a popular criticism of Obama the past 8 years
    • Reduce the number of people on Food Stamps without increasing other poverty metrics.
    • Reduce taxes, without reducing important public services (sometimes referred to by republicans as "public safety net") and without increasing the National Debt.
    • Introduce/sign a new healthcare program that protects people with pre-existing conditions without causing those individuals to pay higher premiums (eg not forcing them into state high-risk pools that charge obscenely high premiums).
    These all seem to be reasonable objectives and performance metrics, since they have been applied to previous Presidents.
     
  6. dobro1229

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    I actually think its untrue that this country is divided in the way that its. I think you are looking at 3 pieces of America

    -20 to 25% of Trump hardcore supporters.
    -30 to 35% of Liberals who oppose Trump AND the Right's polarizing agenda topics
    -35 to 40% of Americans who just hate politics and generally think Trump is vile, and Hillary is vile, but most don't pay attention on a daily basis to the details. Only see the big highlights, and think they are all equally as bad.

    Some of these voted for Trump & are disgusted at him, and some voted for Hillary, but most of this voter base got suppressed IMO from what ive seen.

    Where the approval rating matters-


    Whats key to me is the 37% Trump approval rate right now. Historically most incoming presidents have between 55 and 60%. We know Trump has his 20 to 25% of Trump voters (BigTexx). Usually in this case a president will have their base plus a majority of the "in between/indifferent" Americans to get them to that 55 to 60% approval.

    So what does Trump "NEED" to do to get to this level of approval (first step to "bringing America together")??

    A. He's got to stop acting like campaign Trump aka "The Heel" (Wrestling term... go look it up.... explains Trump's character analysis to the T)

    Campaign Trump will always have his loyal supporters & nationalists who (like Trump said himself) would still support him even if he shot someone in broad daylight on 5th street. But if Trump wants to get to Obama-level approval rating (first step), he's got to stop with the theatrics, the BLATANT lying, the vilification of the media, etc. etc. etc.

    B. He needs to create transparency on his business ties, and FULLY Divest himself from the Trump business.

    I say this because if he doesn't we are looking at 4 years of scandal after scandal after scandal that will keep this dark cloud over his administration. Trump not releasing his taxes isn't an issue that will go away because its always something that we will keep asking "what is he hiding", and EVEN IF TRUMP CONTROLS THE NARRATIVE OUT OF THE CIA/FBI, etc nationally, FOREIGN ENTITIES WILL ALSO FIND DIRT AND EXPOSE GLOBALLY. Trump can violate the constitution and take over the media nationally. He can fully control our intelligence community under his thumb with help from Congress and the House. However we aren't living in North Korea here. WE ARE A GLOBAL SOCIETY, and there is no way Trump can fully control the information we consume about him, and his scandals. Its impossible.

    AND THERE WILL BE SCANDALS.

    C. He needs to have a similar or lower Un-employment rate as Obama, with as strong of a housing market, similar gas prices, AND lower the deficit.

    Say what you want about Obama, and you can point to the "rust belt" folks in the swing states who are feeling the pinch in their area, but things are actually very strong right now for America right now as a whole, and THE STATISTICS MATTER to the 75% of Americans who aren't in the 25% of Hardcore Trump fans who believe how they feel determines the facts... not the facts. The FACT is that Trump needs to maintain the strong economy that he is inheriting or he will never unite the Country, and get up to Obama's approval rating level.

    .............

    So to recap - What does Trump need to do to "Unite the Country"????.... A, B, and C IMO.

    I do not think he's capable of A & B, but there is hope for C if he really is as strong of a business man as he says he is and his supporters think he is. I have my doubts obviously. The main question I have is that the ONLY party here that has power over Trump to remove him from power is the House controlled by Paul Ryan who can impeach him, and needs a 2/3 vote. If things go bad here (which is highly likely), do we have a House that can stand up to Trump if need be? That's my main concern. Trump NEEDS that authority over him in order for him to take care of A & B in order to "Bring the Country Together" for a mutually beneficial presidency for everyone. Without that power over Trump, I am obviously skeptical that we will see a Trump that can & is motivated to truly do what is necessary to unite the country.
     
  7. dobro1229

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    I painted in more broad strokes but these are some very reasonable highlights where Trump can make headway. But the Clinton presidency proves that even with strong economics to stand behind, scandals will play a big part of the Trump presidency too. I think these issues are a good start and will help alot of people look past his circus-like performances & scandals, but its not enough to truly say that these alone will "unite" America.
     
  8. ima_drummer2k

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    I just wish he would put a few more exclamation points in his tweets.

    I think that would go a long way in uniting the country.
     
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    From here on out, you will not be able to have an opinion that may be taken as inflammatory without having @TheFreak poke his face in, questioning how the post will heal the country.
     
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  11. edwardc

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    I don't think this president can do anything to bring the country together with his rhetoric, ego, and utter lack of humility Trump can't unite us won't make anyone's life better only out to help the rich.
     
  12. London'sBurning

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    A good first start would be stopping use of all social media. He's the President now. He should really start to act like it. It'd also significantly cut back on his own divisive rhetoric.
     
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    http://www.tvguide.com/news/donald-trump-presidential-campaign-timeline/

    1987-1988: Trump considers a run for president, while simultaneously juggling large debts stemming from his purchase of the Taj Mahal casino.

    2000: Trump enters the presidential race as a Reform Party candidate and receives more than 15,000 votes in the party's California primary.

    2003-2004: Trump begins hosting the reality show The Apprentice on NBC, which he also executive-produces. He again mulls a run for president, but ultimately decides not to join the race.

    How to run for president, according to Donald Trump

    March 2011: A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows Trump leading all presidential contenders, including Mitt Romney.

    April 2011: Amid more research polls indicating that he would be the preferred Republican presidential candidate among voters, Trump repeatedly calls for President Obama to release his long-form birth certificate, questioning whether Obama was actually born in the United States. (Obama eventually complies and releases the birth certificate.)

    May 2011: Trump officially announces that he will not run for president.

    February 2012: Trump endorses Republican candidate Mitt Romney for president.

    2013: Trump forms a presidential exploratory committee and, despite a strong backing from Republican voters, announces that he has no interest in running for governor of New York in 2014.

    February 2015: Trump decides not to renew his Apprentice contract, fueling speculation that he's mulling a run for president.

    June 2015: Trump formally announces that he's running for president in a speech delivered from Trump Tower in New York City. Almost immediately, corporations and individuals that have partnerships with Trump - including Macy's, NBC and Univision - begin to sever ties with the mogul because of disparaging comments he made about Mexicans in the speech announcing his candidacy.

    July 2015: Trump comes under fire after revealing Republican rival Lindsey Graham's phone number of live TV and criticizing John McCain for being a prisoner of war in Vietnam.
     
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  14. London'sBurning

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    I'd be happy with changes like this. That said I don't see a feasible way possible of cutting taxes and not increasing the national debt. Likewise for not removing public services or weakening them significantly. If you cut taxes then less money goes through that helps support these important public services. In turn you either have to dissolve them or weaken them since there's less money to cover its expenses. Or take out loans to other global entities to keep these existing programs from dissolving increasing our national debt. A new healthcare program that covers pre-existing conditions while not increasing premiums seems almost impossible but if he were to succeed in it, that'd be historic and would be worth bragging about in his next Presidential campaign.

    I really think health care legislation is going to remain imperfect with policies that will require many relatively small modifications until we get it right. I wouldn't be surprised if we were still discussing healthcare reform for the next 10 or 20 years with legitimate gripes over its imperfections.
     
  15. glynch

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    Well 99 to 1 you are correct. After his campaign and need to cater to the Grand Old Tea Party there is virtually nothing he can do to unite the country.

    Besides with all the crap he is going to do, and most likely he will be impeached if he does not please the GOP Congress.
     
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  16. justtxyank

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    This country can't be "united" by a president. We just need generational change.

    Trump voters want to go back to a time where the world was silent about issues in minority communities. That's what they consider "united."
     
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  17. B-Bob

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    Interesting take, but I do think the country could be united in one of two ways.
    1. Launching a major war (not an Iraq or Afghanistan endeavor, but major war). This is a remote fear of mine, and it will be a test of just how authoritarian Trump is in the historical range of demagogues. Many other demagogues get involved in war, in part, to control the populace, silence criticism, and wield absolute power. I don't think this is likely from Trump. I hope not.

    2. I was just a kid, but Nixon honestly seemed to briefly unite the country in their dislike of him. Politicians on the hill collaborated, despite all the recent tensions of the late 1960's, in investigating that president and pushing him out of office. There was even a Republican, appointed by Nixon, who then intentionally appointed a fairly liberal democrat to lead one of the key investigations into the cover-up. So, briefly, Nixon created a country-before-party atmosphere.
    I think this is possible with Trump, but we'll see. It will depend on Trump's behavior (just how bad it will get is the question; he won't get better or more presidential), and it will depend on his approval ratings. If he's caught in illegal activity or lies that really affect the country, and his approval ratings dip below, say, 20%, you could see bipartisan action I think, and a fairly united populace in America (separate from his most rabid followers who will see a vast conspiracy and no fault of Trump's).
     
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    He is being smothered because there are serious things going on regarding his appointments and his connections to Russia, not to mention his instability. He's created his own mess.

    This idea he is essentially a democrat is also ridiculous. He's one of the most right-wing presidents ever.

    The GOP is set to increase spending through the roof, cut taxes, cut regulation, cut immigration, let Israel conquer Palestine, put more restrictions on abortions, eliminate PP, appoint a ultra conservative to the SC, end Health Care for millions of people, cut back on social programs, restrict voting rights, handcuff ethics so they can rejoice in their corruptions.

    None of that is liberal.
     
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    None of that is liberal or true. Obamacare is being replaced by Trumpcare. Trump has said he is a states right guy and government spending is all lib all the time. The other stuff like foreign policy and cutting taxes, that is closer conservative territory. So yea he's a moderate lib.
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    Honestly all he has to do is back successful policies that actually make things better. No one expects him to come up with any of those things himself, but if he gets the right people around him and they come up with good policy then the country will "unite" around success. He's not an ideologue like the current president and that alone will work in his favor.

    Then again, even if he backs unsuccessful policies, it might work to unite the country against him. So either way he might end up pushing the country back together after 8 years of a president pushing the nation apart.
     

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