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[Wake Up] Suicide rate now higher than combat toll

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mathloom, Jul 16, 2012.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    These are your fellow country-men/women. Depression and rape are as alarmingly high.

    Google this news and see who is reporting it, and who is not reporting it.

    What will it take?
     
  2. CCorn

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    Get the out of the middle east. Then legalize weed to give them something to calm the stress.

    Gary Johnson 2012 ;)
     
  3. Bandwagoner

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    Suicide rate is still lower than the same demographic age/race/sex/income at home. Troll harder.
     
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    Proof?
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    If the Islamists in Afghanistan had not caused the necessity of combat in Afghanistan, these suicides could have been avoided. Shame on them.
     
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    I'm assuming none of you actually read the article in TIME?
     
  7. Bandwagoner

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    You can search the last thread I combined all the stats from the CDC with weighted percentages. Or you can look it up yourself. It isn't even close because 18-30 year old white males with low income are the prime candidates for suicide. In the military they have structure, jobs, little to no drug use, peer support etc.
     
  8. Mathloom

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    I wrote so much, but can say so little. *sigh*

    Suicide rates are soaring. No ands, ifs or buts about it.

    Bring your people back to their home, and if they are suicidal, then treat them rather than put a gun in their hand.
     
  9. Space Ghost

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    You make it sound so easy.
     
  10. trustme

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    Nah sorry. You got to bring that proof with you whenever you post.
     
  11. Mathloom

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    It's not easy because far more people want to attack America post-invasion.

    But it is logical because the number of people wanting to threaten your security will increase every day, no matter how efficient the bombs, no matter how effective the mass murder, as long as you are there, and "there" is the only place they have to go, they will keep resisting. It will never stop.

    Every crazy you kill has kids and brothers and nephews and neighbours. Everytime you kill one, the rest see an opportunity. They think you're giving out a free one-way ticket out of their miserable country and into rivers of wine, 72 Kim Kardashians and justification for their actions. They believe Jesus and Muhammad will greet them at the gates and take them on a tour. They believe they will meet God and that he will be ecstatic that you killed them while they tried to kill you. How can you possibly win when each kill, no matter how succesful, motivates bunches of crazies?

    How can there be any easier and logical thing to do than GTFO and save the soldiers' lives and spend all that money on improving their education and the education/health of the young men and women that agree to fly to their potential death to fight a war that started decades before 9/11, and has continued after?

    The thing you think you're fighting can not be killed. It's not rocket science. Some things can not be killed - like an ideology where the fuel for growth is in-built: death. And all its constituents believe it sincerely. They really believe that stuff, it's not a myth.

    What will it take? Give us something concrete. What are the indicators you want to see which would convince you that it's time to go home? We have mass graveyards, high depression, high suicide, high rape, civilian deaths, psycopaths on both sides randomly deciding to go on killing sprees, druglord leaders twisting your arm for more money, outright rejection of your military and cultural presence.... let's hear some specific criteria. What do you expect to achieve?

    No terrorism? Your population has not been more **** scared since the world war.

    More freedom? You have not had less freedom in at least 2 or 3 decades.

    WMD's? None to be found.

    Less human rights abuse? You already support a variety of human rights abusers, this one won't make a difference.

    They took advantage of a tiny loophole, which was closed, to bypass your most ignorant President ever, and conduct a terrorist attack killing 3-4,000 innocent Americans which your systems actually detected and could have prevented beforehand. The threat is only higher now because there are so many people who want blood revenge. Over a million dead.

    But I'm not delusional to believe that you leaving will mean everything is ok. However I do believe that as long as you are there, the threat to YOU grows. The moment you leave, it starts declining slowly. Given the facts, is there an easier answer than leaving, unless you stand to profit from weapons sales?

    Tell us. Let's discuss here some specific criteria that you are actively attempting to meet by being there and which would, in your opinion, make it logical to leave.
     
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    I searched his posts, nowhere to be seen in his posting history.
     
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    Goes to show that their fanatical belief in their religious ideology is the root problem.

    Also, I am disappoint in your taste in women if your ideal scenario for your 72 women after martyrdom was Kim Kardashian (not a virgin, by the way).

    It's a myth they believe in. So you are basically saying "you cannot win against the fanatical ideology most people in Afghanistan and I, Mathloom, believe in".

    All going back to the fanatical ideology that has crippled that country from the start. The USA taking out some terrorists there isn't the root cause, so going away will not fix that country's problems either. It will just let them continue to rot in their backwardness.

    Here we go again with the hateful finger-pointing against the United States. How come you are not more concerned about human rights abuses in the Muslim world? Point out some cases there. There are plenty.

    The blood is on the hands of your Islamist ideology, although you try to assign guilt to the United States for it.

    Why are you so obsessed with the United States leaving?

    Admit it: It's for the same reason Bin Laden wanted the US to leave Saudi Arabia. You consider it Muslim land and you don't want infidels to be there. All this feigned concern about the well-being of US soldiers is disingenuous rubbish.
     
  14. Bandwagoner

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    I find this hilarious considering your name.

    I was really curious about these stats a few years ago. Everyone uses them for their own benefit from Iraq is at a standstill, Bush is under supplying the military, troops hate Obama, troops hate gays, troops hate sand etc.

    It is a sad state of affairs. If you are curious about the number go check CDC for yourself. Interesting reading.
     
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    I don't think waking up American soldiers will reduce the suicides -- people are usually already awake when they make such a major decision.
     
  16. Mathloom

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    No they're not.
     
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    There was a former chief of staff on Bill Maher a month ago commenting on how broken our armed forces is, and how that'll be the greatest factor in not directly engaging with Iran.
     

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