[Video] Terrence Williams - 13 Points Vs Magic (12.26.11)

Let's not argue whether Martin can create his own shot or not, but you must rethink what you are saying. If you actually believe he can't create for himself, then like any other 20+ ppg pure shooting wing player, he is best matched playing with your best pure point guard -- Lowry.

Maybe Bud and Martin shouldn't start together, but it did work after the Battier trade. I don't think you should move them both to the bench. Martin is best positioned as a starter. Either start him or trade him.

 

I agree that Martin is best positioned as a starter if Lowry is the one feeding him the ball. I wasn't thinking Martin as the reserve, but Bud. IMO, we need a two-way player with the ability to create his own shot or the ability to break down the opposing defense when our offense is stagnant. Williams seems to fit those needs, but I just don't know how he would fit as a starter. It might be worth a try.

 

Sometimes your 6th man is better than the starter, because you need a creator off the bench; see Ginobili. If TWill can create for himself and others as we hope, then he might make a bigger difference coming in when Lowry takes his first rest. Combining that with having him playing during crunch time usually translates to 30mpg.

Of course, if the Martin/Bud tandem get exposed on defense, then the luxury of having a creator first off the bench might cost too much.

Would you consider Lee and Martin as starters?

 

Yes. Short term, that might be a combination to cover up some of the deficiencies in our starting lineup, until a real s/f can be found or developed. Lee can create some shots for himself, he can drive, and obviously he can D. I think replacing Lee for C-Bud is not a bad idea, one that McHale may try sooner than we think it is possible.

 

Did not watch the game... Vids look impressive. Hows his defense, and did he played during the 2nd and 3rd quarter?

 

Not impressive, just hit a few jumpers, that's it. I'm just glad he's not going all Von Wafer on us, meaning thinking he made a great play after every dunk or shot he hits. On defense he did work harder than Budinger but still not enough.

The most embarrasing was the way he waved off Dragic time after time..if McHale doesn't rip him a new one for that, I don't know if Williams will ever reach his full potential.

Like Wafer he's still a selfish player, he forces way too much, lost the ball or caused other players to lose the ball or take bad shots and needs to learn how to play the team game, not the me game.

 

Beast

 

I'm always confused when people say Martin can't create his own shots. He creates pull-up jumpers frequently and knocks them down.

 

Martin had a bad night. That doesn't necessarily reflect on his ability for the rest of the season. With our team the way it is, he's still one of (if not THE) most important offensive players we have. Unless we can trade him for someone very well established, there's no way we don't start him.

TWill does look legit. If he keeps playin better than Bud for the next few games, I'd be surprised if he doesn't start.

 

I don't mind him waiving off Goran. Goran is not a distributor. He's a scorer and better served playing off the ball and shooting or faking and going to the hole after the defense is broke down. Goran is a scorer. TWill is a playmaker.

But on a bigger note, I really don't care about TWill's offense prowess right now. We need wing defenders in the worst way. We need his defense. For those of you that though TWill didn't play good D last night, you are mistaken. He was effective and would have been even more so playing alongside the starters.

 

definitely a strong perfomace by twill as of late...if he can keep improving/staying consistant, he should get the starting role. I used to think Bud would improve to become a real starter in the NBA, but he hasnt really been able to improve his speed..his shot is still not that consistant either...but we shall see what happens as the season progresses.

 

He did wave off Dragic.....when there was like 20secs lef in the half.

 

If T-Will gets 30 mins/game, I couldn't care less if he starts. I hope Morris eventually eats into Bud's playing time.

 

Me too. Morris looked a little lost last night but I expect much better out of him. I know he can shoot it. Only concern is can he integrate himself defensively and be effective.

 

I think he is undersized but could be effective as a PF, but as a SF, he looks too slow.....at least from what we have seen of him in preseason....just does not have quick feet.

DD

 

He's not going to be as quick as a smaller player...period. But his skillset makes him a mismatch. He's got size to be a mismatch in the post against smaller small forwards. He's enough quicks to be a mismatch on the perimeter against bigger small forwards and swing 3/4's. He's got to show something defensively though. Can he do it? Sure, the smaller, quicker guys can isolate on him and drive past him. But now, they'e looking at Dally in there.

 

When Bud gets his next ankle sprain, McHale makes TWill the starter. Permanently.

 

He would be an excellent option at the 4. More effective defensively. He is a more athletic Patterson.

 

I think Twill's stat line was something like 13-6-2 coming off the bench. That's a great game to start the season off. He should only improve on that. I think if he gets more PT he can eventually put up Gerald Wallace like numbers if not better.

 

Yeah he's slow out there, and IMO trying to hard to prove that he is a SF, taking way to much 3's, etc.

It was his first game though, so I think we'll have a much better perspective of what he can be in the upcoming months.

I wouldn't be against sending him down to the Vipers for a couple of games.