Yes I am familiar with what is happening. You are the one falling for the lazy left wing propaganda that is coming from the American leftists as well as Maduro and the Russians. Do you know any Venezuelans? Can you read Spanish?
So a massive popular revolt from the Venezuelans has all been magically created by the US? That is so far removed from reality that I don’t even know where to begin. Has the massive refuge crisis, runaway inflation, inability to get medical supplies, empty grocery stores and malnutrition all been manufactured by the Americans as well? Also, why have you become less supportive of Maduro? What about him did you like before? I don’t need an essay just a few reasons.
So Left Wing propaganda is lazy, does that make the 50 years of CIA propaganda vigorous? Somewhere back I posted you a link of some 30 times the US has been involved in regime change, why do you think this time is different, especially given the trillion dollars of oil that's at stake and the percieved "wrong" Venezuela dd to US oil companies. I mean Pompeo came out two weeks ago and admitted the US is actively supporting a coup. Don't you think they may have a little to do with the run-up? https://nypost.com/2019/01/26/pompeo-to-un-venezuela-is-an-illegitimate-mafia-state-under-maduro/
I understand the history the US has had with respect to what you mentioned and not every situation is the same. Do you understand what a coup is?
Wow you want a yes or no. I think Maduro has a more legitimate claim to be president than the young right wing nobody who has just been elected from one right wing wealthy section of Caracas, I believe. Somehow Guaido got appointed the leader of the opposition and declared himself president. This great white hope has not engaged as a democratic opposition, has recently switched from violent street demonstrations, and his his folks often refused to contest in a presidential election or stop economic sabotage etc.. As far as Maduro, sources I trust have gradually found him not up to the office and as problems have mounted getting more isolated and depent on a smaller circle of advisors. For sources I am not referrring to the NYT and other mainstream press who have brought us Iran, Iraq, Libya, Chile, the Honduran Coup, the fascist Bolsonaro etc). Maduro is ineffective, over his head, corrupt, but probably not more so than many of our favorites including the parents of the attempted coup leaders. I think an objective analysis should note the great decreases in poverty before the oil crash, the economic sabotage by the undemocratic interal opposition in cahoots with the usual and other great obstacles. a couple of sources for you..Might help you evaluate your nyt etc sources venezuela analysis eva golinger maduros problems gray zone project the sordid history of rightists cultivating the new self proclaimed president mark weisbrot economic mistakes of Maduro and the Chavistas
True. And the entire Western Hemisphere, and good chunk of the East, should make sure that there is a peaceful transition to a stable government of the people's choosing. Hell, maybe they'll even end up with food in the stores and medicines in the hospitals. I know how much @glynch loves breadlines, so we'll see if he agrees.
What is lazy is to rely solely on the NYT or similar retread stories by other media. Maybe you are just like many Americans who support coups or embargoes in Latin America and elsewhere if they are to the left of the Hillary. She has. Of course do not complain as in the case of Honduras the right wingers kill ordinary peasants who want a raise or of course union leaders and then it causes migration to the US. I realize Hillary and her ilk do complain about the migrants treatment as they trek up to the US. PS I realize that many of the Venezuelans hear were upper middle class in VZLA and few of the real old oligarchic class probably live in Katy where many of them live. Venezuela was pretty nice for them. Most Americans do not understand how bad the country was for many folks who were iliterate, without healthcare of indoor plumbing etc. For an interview with an ex Catholic priest who lived with the other Venezuelans. https://trib.com/interview---charle...ube_65df95c8-8d99-5b89-9e02-849f839b2cea.html BTW I read a book by him and he described in detail what it was like to live in the barrios of the old pre Chavez Caracas, with literally shi@ running down hill as folks had no sanitation and the water trucks from DT Caracas were late in coming up the hills the folks had to walk up and down to work in DT Caracas. Yes. I know Venezuelans. Am fluent in Spanish which I often have used daily at work for many years. I have studied Venezuela extensively and at times have listened to their debates in their legislature, I understand that most of the upper class Venezuelans who have moved to Houston have opposed the Chavistas due to their class background and often their skin color. Many used to work for the state oil company PDVSA and were fired when after losing the first election or two, and after trying to depose Chavez in a coup they shut down the oil company and had to be replaced by the overwhelmingly democratically elected government. Hopefully you don't view the Carter Center who supervised and declared the elections values as just lazy Putin dupes.
Just another Putin dupe. Anyone who crosses the Pentagon love of coups and foreign wars will be accused.
Do you know who is behind the coup? No, you don't and my suspicions are at least supported by history and motive.
For those who don't follow the the US media like sheep. Explains how the US supported right wingers like Guadio boycotted the elections since they and their American backers including Rex Tillerson preferred to try to take power by undemocratic coup like means. https://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Sn...edia-wont-tell-you-about-the-venezuelan-coup/
So basically, since we have a bad history with this, we should just be cool with someone who is corrupt and basically committed a coup of his own by destroying democratic institutions in his country? BTW, it's not just the US that believes this - it's also the far more liberal and non-interventionist Europe, and OAS - many of who's members were victims of those American interventions. Think about this statement and what it means as far as your great successful socialist revolution there. Hint: it means it was driven by oil prices that, by nature, fluctuate. They basically spent a bunch of money that they couldn't sustain and now are reaping the completely-unsurprising consequences of it. For someone that claims to care so much about human suffering, it's amazing that you're cool with the total collapse of Venezuelan society under a decade+ of socialist rule. It seems it's more about the politics than the people to you.
This is not a coup. Coups are generally understood to be the military overthrowing the govt normally through violence. Anyhow, the main reason why this uprising has widespread popular support and widespread momentum is because the country is ****ed economically. The population has declined by over 10% in recent years and malnutrition is rampant. Let me upload the pictures from the grocery store the last time my gf was down there. This was May of last year. Looks amazing doesn't it. Can't imagine why people would want to kick out Maduro. Those minimum wage hikes really helped solve problems down there, didn't they?
The EU didnt reach a mutual agreement on the matter and the 14 states so far are still and will be against any kind of direct military intervention. And btw who are you to say " we have a bad history with this so what "??? Has your family and country suffered from any foreigners intervening? No. So kindly stfu. The american foreign policy resulted and supported a military junta in my country which led to thousand of deaths and exiles. My parents as students had to face tanks and bullets because of this. So why dont you stfu.
Direct military intervention is different than recognizing the legitimacy of a leader. The EU and much of South/Central America have recognized Guaido as President. So it's not just the crazy US that is doing it. It's a terrible way to make decisions. You look at each situation for what it is, and use historical results to help guide you, but making blanket future decisions based on the past is beyond stupid. The US has bad results staying out of foreign affairs too. It also resulted in Greece and much of the world not being controlled by Nazis, so... Every country - US, Greece, and everyone else - has foreign policy successes and failures. Only making decisions by looking at failures is a terrible way to make foreign policy. The goal should be to look at what was done right and wrong in both the successes and failures and improve each successive time.
Again the EU hasnt reached any formal decision. It was vetoed by Italy with other countries also against it. So far only 14 has recognised Guaido on their own. The American and CIA support to the dictators here had zero thing to do with Nazis. The complete nonchalance and lightheartedness in which you suggest you play god with other nations is absolutely infuriating. Isnt it enough how many millions people around the world have died because of this? Right go and study history. Stalin said one death is a tragedy but a million deaths is but a statistic. If you still support military interventions then its but an admittance that you agree with his ideas.
You need to articulate this point better, because it doesn't make sense. Yes, pre-Chavez, Venezuela was far from a utopia for the vast majority of Venezuelans. A few controlled the fortune of many. There is a reason that Chavez was able to take control of Venezuela....... because the majority of Venezuelans were doing poorly. The slums in Venezuela pre Chavez were horrible. The poor had little control over their lives, were poorly educated and crime was rampant. The only "out" was the military, baseball and drugs. Yeah, having been the Venezuela I can tell you that pre-Chavez, there was little plumbing, there were limited electricity. It was not a humane situation and there is a reason Chavez came to power. However, the problem now is that......... a majority of Venezuela is starving, crime is out of control, disease is becoming a problem. The current situation isn't humane. The wealthy ruling class in Venezuela were replaced with a new wealthy ruling class, the Chavez party members. This really has nothing to do with Venezuelans in Houston that were exiled by Chavez. What this is about, is a country that is collapsing from hunger, an ineffective government that is completely incompetent. You can point to the USA and the West and say they didn't make it easy for Chavez and Maduro; but that is the modern landscape the world operates in and Chavez and Maduro have failed. This isn't going to end well.........
