I have not admitted that I was totally wrong. Chavez did a lot of things for many Venezuelans. Like many a country that has crossed international capitalists, their country has been brought to its knees. When these capitalists are allied with local oligarch it is especially hard to keep the economy from failing. Maduro especially failed to do a good job in resisting these folks and ignored the advice of progressive economist who were offering advice. As an aside, I think it will help Venezuela in the long run to have a more educated and literate population beyond the relatively small minority that went to elite US schools and is hot to return to power. Like many contented moderates in this country you tend to see the education and healthcare of the lower 50% in the US or 90% in Venezuela as purely a waste of money. As far as oil revenue as fake money, was it real money when the previous oligarchs who Trump and Elliot Abrahams, John Bolton have been desperate to reinstall had oil money coming in? True, Venezuela's cut-- not just the total as oil prices shot up-- under Chavez was about double percentage wise what it was under the oligarchs before and what it will probably be once if they get back in power.
His policies are what ultimately led to what is happening now. The US and other nations have continued to trade with Venezuela while their country has gone to hell.
What world are you living in? You acted as if they chose this reality for themselves and as if Maduro was truly popularly elected. Lmao at “they signed up for this and let them ride it out”. Give me a ****ing break lol! I think I need to post each single tweet of that twitter thread I just posted. Also, Vzla’s mess has become a MASSIVE mess that has spread to its neighbors and beyond. All of this push for change would not be happening if it wasn’t for the participation of its neighbors in this push and if it wasn’t for the population pushing for change. This isn’t some sort of fantasy situation where Venezuela can destroy itself and have no repercussions for the world outside of it. When you have thousands of people trying to get out of there everyday then you have a region that gets destabilized. It can’t just be left to fester especially when it is a coalition of countries surrounding it calling for change. And yes I am familiar with the situation beyond what the general media writes. If you’ve read anything in this thread you might see that. I do agree that the basic news stories written here aren’t always the best to read. Anyhow, my girlfriend (who lives in Toronto and just got Canadian citizenship) spends a lot of money supporting her family and charities down there and buying food for them. I have helped her out as well with my American dollar that they have adopted down in VE out of necessity. It sucks for her because she is getting killed since the Canadian dollar sucks so much against the USD now. Anyhow if the big bad Americans are hated so much and so evil then let them keep working with the Chinese and Russians lol. That certainly is going really well for them now.
Where is the SOTU video of Trump talking about socialism with the Berni and AOC sad face @Os Trigonum @TheresTheDagger
I find it so comical whenever the USA wants to talk about Venezuela and how maduro is a "dictator" yet they give saudi arabia completely free pass. The Saudis are flying out rapist and killers on private planes from our own country yet lets try another failed latin america Coup d'état. joke
Yes and no. There has been some trading, but continually attempts were made in cahoots with pissed off elites to undermine the economy to decrease support for the government. I am surprised you have not noticed similar policies toward other nations the US disfavors.
For those who are not too lazy or only content to read the same 20 or whatever mainstream sources from Fox to the NYT that all take more or less the same line --so reminiscent of the buildup to Dubya's Iraq War. Another take which to evaluate those sources. https://original.antiwar.com/ted_sn...riking-things-you-didnt-know-about-venezuela/ The self proclaimed president endorsed by our government did not run as he knew he could not have even come in a distant third or worse. Moderate conservatives with much much greater name recognition were actually threatened by the US not to run as the undemocratic regime change game was on. One well know conservative ran despite the threats.
Different topic. There is another thread for that. I agree the US being in bed with the Saudis is pretty shitty.
Different counties no doubt, but doesn't it make you wonder occasionally if democracy is so important to the US government when countries like Venezuela who the Carter Center and others found to have fair elections routinely have their president called a dictator with call for sanctions and boycotts while other nations without any elections are seen as favored allies beyond reproach? I think you are being played.
We continued to buy massive amounts of oil from Venezuela and our purchases accounted for something like 75% of their oil profits. Russia, China, and other nations have also had massive investment into Venezuela too. This isn't some vast conspiracy to undermine the economy to ultimately decrease support for the govt. The govt has been dysfunctional for years there. You should know this based on your background that you mentioned.
Being played? Because I see that Venezuela has been destroyed because of an ineffective mafia style govt? I think you are misinterpreting my support for the US policy and actions here as some simple ideological basis. I see a failed state with a failed economic system disrupting a region and starving it's people. I'm not all rah rah woo woo yay democracy will bring rainbows and fix everything. The Venezuelans have a lot of problems to fix even after they kick Maduro out and get rid of the failed socialist state. Also, America making the decision not to do business with a country should not destroy a country on it's own. America has no obligation to do business with a country or encourage it's allies to do business with a country for whatever reason. Further, our allies and non-allies continue to do business with nations that we choose to not do business with. Further, there are nations that we don't support or do much business with that exist perfectly fine without us.
lol so let me get this right. America has no obligation to help a country out economically yet they have the right and obligation to butt into their political system and tell their citizens how to live?
Any country can do this. In this specific case of Venezuela at this point in time I agree with how the American govt is acting. That can change in the future.
Here is what the "All I want for Christmas is white genocide" professor is retweeting about the situation. Yeah. That's right. His entire twitter account is full of bullshit just like this. Welcome to your socialist utopia, you illiberal regressives.
The Carter Center did NOT, in fact, find that they have fair elections routinely. It seems you're the one being played. Or, given that this has been pointed out to you, with links, multiple times in the past and you continue to regurgitate it, it seems you're just outright lying because you are stuck defending an untenable position.
