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USA to arm Syrian rebels

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  1. da1

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    Syria has dismissed as "a caravan of lies" claims it used chemical weapons after the US said it would give the rebels "direct military aid".

    President Obama made the decision after his administration concluded Syrian forces under Bashar al-Assad were using chemical weapons, a spokesman said.

    A rebel leader, Salim Idris, told the BBC it was a "very important step".

    But Syria's foreign ministry said the US had used "fabricated information" on chemical weapons to justify the move.

    Washington was resorting to "cheap tactics" to justify Mr Obama's decision to arm the rebels, said a statement from the ministry.

    On the ground, there were reports of the fiercest fighting in months in Syria's largest city, Aleppo.

    Two years of conflict had killed at least 93,000 people, the UN said on Thursday, at a current rate of 5,000 people a month. More than 1,700 children under the age of 10 have died, it added.

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    Ben Rhodes, a deputy national security adviser to Mr Obama, said the president had made the decision to increase assistance, including "military support", to the rebels' Supreme Military Council (SMC) and Syrian Opposition Coalition.

    The US was "comfortable" working with Gen Idris, leader of the SMC, and aimed to isolate some of the more extremist elements of the opposition, such as Sunni militant group al-Nusra, he added.

    Mr Rhodes did not give details about the military aid other than to say it would be "different in scope and scale to what we have provided before".

    Until now, the US has limited its help to rebel forces by providing rations and medical supplies.

    Administration officials have been quoted by US media as saying it will most likely include sending small arms and ammunition. The New York Times quoted US officials as saying Washington could provide anti-tank weapons.

    The CIA is expected to co-ordinate delivery of the military equipment and train the rebel soldiers in how to use it.

    In an interview with the BBC's Newshour programme on Friday, Gen Idris said the supply of weapons would help the rebels defeat the Assad regime and defend civilians.

    "We are in most need for anti tank missiles and anti-aircraft missiles and in addition to all of that we need a huge amount of weapons and ammunition to stop the offensive of the regime," he added.

    'Not convincing'

    The US intelligence community believes the Assad regime had used chemical weapons, including the nerve agent sarin, on a small scale against the opposition multiple times in the past year, said Mr Rhodes, adding that he estimated as many as 150 people had died in the attacks.

    Washington's "clear" statement was welcomed by Nato Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who urged Syria to let the UN "investigate all reports of chemical weapons use".

    The US announcement is one the Syrian opposition has been pushing and praying for for months, says the BBC's Jim Muir in Beirut.

    It seems clear Mr Obama has finally been persuaded, as Britain and France have argued, that the battlefield cannot be allowed to tilt strongly in the regime's favour, as is currently happening, says our correspondent.

    British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the UK agreed with Washington's assessment and said an urgent response to the Syria crisis would be discussed at the G8 summit of economic powers in Northern Ireland next week.

    Moscow said Washington's supposed evidence of chemical weapons use in Syria did "not look convincing".

    UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon's spokesman told the BBC he remained against "any further militarisation" of the conflict in Syria, saying the people there needed peace, not more weapons.

    'Long overdue'

    The support of the West's regional allies, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, had helped the rebels in the days after the uprising became militarised.

    But the tide turned after the Assad regime turned to Moscow and Tehran for help. Hezbollah fighters from Lebanon have also been involved in the government's counter-offensive.

    The White House announcement immediately shook up the ongoing debate over how the US might aid the rebels.

    Republican Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, who have been particularly strident in their calls for military aid, said the chemical weapons finding must change US policy in Syria, saying US credibility was on the line.

    "A decision to provide lethal assistance, especially ammunition and heavy weapons, to opposition forces in Syria is long overdue, and we hope the president will take this urgently needed step," they said in a joint statement.

    "But providing arms alone is not sufficient. The president must rally an international coalition to take military actions to degrade Assad's ability to use airpower and ballistic missiles and to move and resupply his forces around the battlefield by air."

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    Terrible decision. And it seems to be coupled with Obama backing Morsi in Egypt, in exchange for Morsi sending Egyptian fighters to Syria to support this.

    Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
     
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    You're right 80,000 people dead isn't enough we need more to die before someone steps in and does something.
     
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    History really does repeat itself.
     
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    Yes. The USA also armed the Taliban.
     
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    This works well for the Military Industrial. Keep arming people to knock off people you don't like now and then go to war against them and their obsolete arms 20 years later.
     
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    Not sure how I feel about this.
     
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    Do you think you would be more sure about this if George Bush had made the decision?
     
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    Didn't work out so well in the long-term for Krupp.
     
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    At this time? No

    I understand the reaction to help and the atrocities are heartbreaking, but the country is tired of war and I don't see how helping would benefit the US.
     
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    So when both sides are committing atrocities, you think it is a good idea to arm one side?

    We already know from your posting history that you are on the Sunni Islamist side of the fence.

    The Syrian conflict is by now an intra-Islam war between Sunnis and Shiites/Alevites, which is one reason why Erdogan, Qatar, the Saudis (all Sunnis) support the "rebels". The Syrian population is getting caught in this war, very sad.

    Giving arms to the Sunni Islamists is like giving arms directly to Al Qaeda (which is also fighting in this war). It will not help to improve the living conditions of the normal Syrian population.

    It's insane.

    It's like walking past a burning house, going away to get some fuel canisters and pouring them on the fire.
     
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    no, who's arguing for arming Assad?
     
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    People casually throwing about "genocide" or "fascism" is up there with my hatred of people calling the Soviet Union "Russia" in small political things which utterly piss me off.
     
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    Assad has killed 80,000 of HIS OWN PEOPLE. Have the rebels done that? Just because you hate Muslims it's hard for you to understand that. And as I've stated numerous times, I'm not even Muslim, so half your statements regarding me are total foolishness, I don't like Sunnis or Shiites better than one another, honestly I don't even know what Muslims I know are which. I just think he's a manaical dictator who needs to be overthrown.

    As far as the 80's, the reason Afghans turned against the US is because after the war they didn't help build any infrastructure. You can't just use someone and walk away without hurt feelings, in any facet of life. I don't think you understand this.
     
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    Incorrect. 93,000 people have died as a result of the war, not necessarily because of Assad. No one says, "Lincoln killed 600,000 of HIS OWN PEOPLE."

    I'm not supporting Assad, but it's important to have facts correct.
     
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    That's bullcrap.
     

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