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US in Revolution by 2012

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  1. Yonkers

    Yonkers Contributing Member

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    I got this in the email and then looked up the Fox News video. Some guy I had never heard of predicts the US will go into some crazy revolution within 4 years. Apparently he's predicted a lot of other stuff that has come true. But what he says seems Beyond Thunderdome-ish. Seems extremely crazy. What do you guys think?

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    The Forthcoming Holocaust

    The man who predicted the 1987 stock market crash and the fall of the Soviet Union is now forecasting revolution in America, food riots and tax rebellions - all within four years, while cautioning that putting food on the table will be a more pressing concern than buying Christmas gifts by 2012.

    Gerald Celente (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Gerald_Celente), the CEO of Trends Research Institute, is renowned for his accuracy in predicting future world and economic events, which will send a chill down your spine considering what he told Fox News this week.

    Celente says that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts.

    "We're going to see the end of the retail Christmas... .we're going to see a fundamental shift take place....putting food on the table is going to be more important that putting gifts under the Christmas tree," said Celente, adding that the situation would be "worse than the great depression".

    "America's going to go through a transition the likes of which no one is prepared for," said Celente, noting that people's refusal to acknowledge that America was even in a recession highlights how big a problem denial is in being ready for the true scale of the crisis.

    Celente, who successfully predicted the 1997 Asian Currency Crisis, the subprime mortgage collapse and the massive devaluation of the U.S. dollar, told UPI in November last year that the following year would be known as "The Panic of 2008," adding that "giants (would) tumble to their deaths," which is exactly what we have witnessed with the collapse of Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and others. He also said that the dollar would eventually be devalued by as much as 90 percent.

    The consequence of what we have seen unfold this year would lead to a lowering in living standards, Celente predicted a year ago, which is also being borne out by plummeting retail sales figures.

    The prospect of revolution was a concept echoed by a British Ministry of Defence report last year, which predicted that within 30 years, the growing gap between the super rich and the middle class, along with an urban underclass threatening social order would mean, "The world's middle classes might unite, using access to knowledge, resources and skills to shape transnational processes in their own class interest," and that, "The middle classes could become a revolutionary class."

    In a separate recent interview, Celente went further on the subject of revolution in America.

    "There will be a revolution in this country," he said. "It's not going to come yet, but it's going to come down the line and we're going to see a third party and this was the catalyst for it: the takeover of Washington, D. C., in broad daylight by Wall Street in this bloodless coup. And it will happen as conditions continue to worsen."

    "The first thing to do is organize with tax revolts. That's going to be the big one because people can't afford to pay more school tax, property tax, any kind of tax. You're going to start seeing those kinds of protests start to develop."

    "It's going to be very bleak. Very sad. And there is going to be a lot of homeless, the likes of which we have never seen before. Tent cities are already sprouting up around the country and we're going to see many more."

    "We're going to start seeing huge areas of vacant real estate and squatters living in them as well. It's going to be a picture the likes of which Americans are not going to be used to. It's going to come as a shock and with it, there's going to be a lot of crime. And the crime is going to be a lot worse than it was before because in the last 1929 Depression, people's minds weren't wrecked on all these modern drugs - over-the-counter drugs, or crystal meth or whatever it might be. So, you have a huge underclass of very desperate people with their minds chemically blown beyond anybody's comprehension. "

    The George Washington blog has compiled a list of quotes attesting to Celente's accuracy as a trend forecaster.

    "When CNN wants to know about the Top Trends, we ask Gerald Celente."
    - CNN Headline News

    "Gerald Celente has a knack for getting the zeitgeist right."
    - USA Today

    "There's not a better trend forecaster than Gerald Celente. The man knows what he's talking about."
    - CNBC

    "Those who take their predictions seriously ... consider Gerald Celente and the Trends Research Institute."
    - The Wall Street Journal

    "Gerald Celente is always ahead of the curve on trends and uncannily on the mark ... he's one of the most accurate forecasters around."
    - The Atlanta Journal-Constitutio n

    "Mr. Celente tracks the world's social, economic and business trends for corporate clients."
    - The New York Times

    "Mr. Celente is a very intelligent guy. We are able to learn about trends from an authority."
    - 48 Hours, CBS News

    "Gerald Celente has a solid track record. He has predicted everything from the 1987 stock market crash and the demise of the Soviet Union to green marketing and corporate downsizing."
    - The Detroit News

    "Gerald Celente forecast the 1987 stock market crash, 'green marketing,' and the boom in gourmet coffees."
    - Chicago Tribune

    "The Trends Research Institute is the Standard and Poors of Popular Culture."
    - The Los Angeles Times

    "If Nostradamus were alive today, he'd have a hard time keeping up with Gerald Celente."
    - New York Post

    So there you have it - hardly a nutjob conspiracy theorist blowhard now is he? The price of not heeding his warnings will be far greater than the cost of preparing for the future now. Storable food and gold are two good places to make a start.
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  2. MadMax

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    http://www.edrants.com/gerald-celente-futurist-fraud/

    Gerald Celente, Futurist Fraud
    Written by Edward Champion
    Posted on November 13, 2008
    Filed Under Celente, Gerald, Futurism, PHonies

    The crazed doom-and-gloom prophets of our world have this troubling ability to occupy the airwaves, becoming strangely confused with qualified experts. Gerald Celente is the latest soothsayer operating on his hunches — now being celebrated on Digg, Reddit, and just about every damn aggregator imaginable.

    His predictions sound suspiciously similar to the storyline for Brian Francis Slattery’s excellent new novel, Liberation, but Gerald Celente, the CEO of Trends Research Institute, is determined to deliver. By 2012, Celente forecasts revolution in America, food riots, and tax rebellions. In four years, America will become an undeveloped nation. Holidays will be about food rather than gifts. Mass hysteria, dogs and cats living together. Doom and gloom.

    The media — or, rather, FOX News and conservative websites — is listening to Celente because he “predicted” the 1997 currency crisis in Asia, the subprime mortgage disaster, and the dollar dipping south. But Infowars, a website run by paleoconservative radio show host Alex Jones, is basking in this dystopic news like an AIG executive riding high on Uncle Sam’s dime. What’s particularly strange is that Infowars hasn’t bothered to quibble with Celente’s statements, much less point to any of his inaccurate predictions.

    How does Celente do it? From Invest in Yourself by Mark Eisenson, Gerri Detweiler, and Nancy Castleman:

    According to Gerald Celente, Director of the Trends Research Institute and author of Trends 2000, the key to tracking trends is to read two newspapers every day with a purpose — either The Wall Street Journal or The Financial Times, plus The New York Times or USA Today. Look for stories with social, economic, and political significance, be it about the difficulties older suburbs face or the current currency crisis. (You’ll know by the headline or the first paragraph.) Skip the stories that are purely human interest or that are about something that hasn’t happened yet (for example, a jury resuming deliberation on a sensational trial).

    When a crisis does occur, tune in to the extra in-depth analyses that you’ll find in accompanying background pieces probably in more than one of the newspapers. Read them as though you’re a “political atheist,” Celente recommends — not for what you want or hope, but for what is really going on, not only in your own profession or industry, but for trends that may directly or indirectly shape the future.

    Aside from the Dale Carnegie-style language here, much of Celente’s “suggestions” seem more like a series of guidelines on how to become a successful “futurist” predicting a good deal of generalist nonsense that scares the **** out of people, using language lifted from a newspaper story’s barebones and riding on a few hunches. Of course, it also helps to have an aesthetic touch — something along the lines of a desktop covered with 12 globes, just so you can impress a New York Times reporter who comes by to write a small profile.

    Since Infowars could not be bothered to perform even the most rudimentary act of journalism, the time has come to see if Celente’s record truly cuts the mustard.

    In May 1993, in a story about fiftysomethings losing their jobs written for the Orange County Register, Celente was quoted. He was advising IBM at the time during a period of downsizing. What was Celente’s golden advice? He informed displaced executives to “go for some kind of counseling.” Asked to comment on this situation, Celente offered the same doom and gloom boilerplate that he’s telling us today: “The Industrial Age is ending. All the systems are breaking down and that means disappointment and disillusionment for the people who grew up in the ’50’s.” He elaborated, “These people believed in the Ozzie and Harriet way of life. That concept is dead. So is the concept of retiring at 65.” These were hardly prescient or specific thoughts, but they were certainly dramatic enough to make it into an Orange County newspaper.

    Why not get topical? Let’s take Celente on a more specialized subject like restaurants. In 1993, Celente predicted “growing demands for take-out food, high- and low-end restaurants, and restaurants that offer live entertainment. Middle-range restaurants with mainstream fare will suffer.” Aside from the fact that Celente’s prediction accounts for about 90% of restaurants, doesn’t the fact that human beings need to eat remain a comfy ledge to launch a prediction?

    In 1998, Celente told Money Magazine that, as the population grows older, “Americans will be spending more time at home than ever before both for pleasure and business.” Imagine that. You grow old, retire, and then you suddenly have more time. How the hell did Celente know?

    In the September 21, 2000 edition of Newsweek, the great futurist weighed in on mindless chores. Why are they called mindless? “Your mind can’t be going all the time.” And when any problem becomes bigger, it becomes bigger than burnout. “It’s road rage, it’s air rage, it’s Columbine, it’s stress — and people don’t get it.” I’m wondering if it’s also the kind of impulse that will cause you to make impetuous predictions about the United States’s future.

    Asked by CBS News in May 2005 to comment upon where Dillard’s planned to go, Celente had this to say: “There is nothing Dillard’s has that you can’t find in 1,000 other places. America is vastly overstored.” Take out “Dillard’s” and sub it in with another department store chain name, and you begin to see what little Celente’s remarks say.

    But if we’re in for a future of doom and gloom, Celente has been sending us some mixed messages. He told the Associated Press in May 2005, “The bottom of the luxury market is not going to fall out.”

    Talking with the Associated Press in September 2005, Celente suggested that Wal-Mart could deflect its negative image with its philanthropy. That’s hardly a stunning insight. Any positive action has the probability of causing a company to look good. This is rudimentary probability. But what profound thoughts did our great seer tell the AP? “We try to refrain from making value judgments — what the motive is. But the fact is that [Wal-Mart was] there with trailer trucks being turned away. Amazing, isn’t it?” Amazing indeed. Presumably, the AP reporter who talked with Celente did so because the reporter needed somebody to describe the situation as “amazing” or “magnificent.” Some casual modifier that might be confused for profound thought.

    Celente was asked to weigh in on Internet trends by the San Francisco Chronicle’s Patricia Yollin in December 2006. “People are more electronically connected and less humanly connected,” opined our great psychic. And if that general piece of advice wasn’t enough, Celente also took the time to badmouth public displays of affection, pointing out how unacceptable it was to put PDA in “techno jargon.” Perhaps Celente confused PDA with another type of PDA, but what he didn’t seem to tell the reporter was that acronyms have existed long before the Internet.

    Here you have a history of a man who not only makes his living spouting this generalist nonsense at corporations, but who is listened to by the media. If we weren’t all scared ****less, this wingnut would be chased out of boardrooms and newsrooms with pitchforks.

    But who needs rational thinking when you have the comforts of defeatism? If you really want to get your dose of passive-aggressive dystopia, just call up Gerald Celente. He’s on Line 2 and he’ll take your money when you have no faith in humanity or when you don’t have a clue about how to do your job. Have him rant in your newspaper. Give him money to advise your corporation. Above all, don’t look at history, science, or specific statistics. Because Celente will boil them all down for you with one of his seemingly pithy and mysterious predictions. And he’ll be right. Because like a trusted astrology columnist or a two-bit faith healer, Celente leaves just enough room in his answer to wiggle out. And you swallow it every time. Because you’re too scared to think for yourself, or do a background check on the guy in the lobby waving his arms.
     
  3. MadMax

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    http://blogs.computerworld.com/fox_news_obama_gloom

    Don't look now, but the sky is falling.

    At least it is if you believe Gerald Celente, who's making headlines today across the blogosphere with some real downer predictions. By 2012, the CEO of the Trends Research Institute says we'll be facing food riots, tax revolts, the end of Christmas, and a return to the Great Depression.

    “It’s going to be very bleak. Very sad. And there is going to be a lot of homeless, the likes of which we have never seen before. Tent cities are already sprouting up around the country and we’re going to see many more.”


    You think maybe this the guy owns stock in companies that make Prozac, Paxil, and Zoloft?

    Fox News [video] and wingnut sites like Alex Jones' Infowars, desperate to blame Obama for things he hasn't done yet, pounced on Celente's gloom-and-doom prognostications like a Doberman on a rump roast.

    After all, he predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, the Asian currency crisis of 1997 and the subprime mortgage collapse.

    Of course, that's not all Celente has predicted. I looked at some forecasts Celente made roughly ten years ago in his book, 'Trends 2000: How to Prepare for and Profit from the Changes of the 21st Century,' excerpted by Psychology Today in February 1997. Here are some of the lowlights.

    Voluntary simplicity, once merely a counterculture ideal, will finally become a reality in the twenty-first century. ....Moderation, self-discipline, and spiritual growth will be the personal goals of the future, not material accumulation.


    Such a stunningly accurate description of the Bush years.... NOT. Apparently Celente missed the boom in SUV sales (at least until gas hit $4 a gallon). The good news: He's got another 92 years for this one to come true.

    The trend to convert lawns into gardens will have a significant impact not only on the way we eat but also on how we live and feel. ....Billions of dollars formerly spent on lawn care will either be saved or re-deployed into producing fresh food.


    I was just thinking that as I waded through the succotash on my front lawn.... Just kidding. Do you know anyone who's farming on their front lawn? Home lawn care products and services have grown (ahem) at a steady rate throughout this decade.

    Instead of being banished to nursing homes or retirement communities, large numbers of retirees... will move in with their adult children.


    The US nursing home population actually increased by about 70,000 from 2001 to 2007, according to a survey by UCSF.

    The videophone, meanwhile, will keep us in touch with faraway relatives. ...long-distance communication will be more like television.


    I love this prediction. People have been making it since, what, the 1950's? Eventually it has to come true.

    Other Celente predictions:

    The public is going to demand that the government break up powerful corporate monopolies.
    The return of individuality will spell an end to the multibillion-dollar fashion industry
    Painting and sculpture will be revolutionized by the incorporation of virtual reality and computer technology
    The macarena was only the beginning. Look for Americans to embrace Latin culture--particularly its music--on a wide scale.
    Whatever happened to Ricky Martin? I miss Living La Vida Loca.

    Here's what Celente missed: The Internet. Blogs. Online video. Digital music. The explosion in mobile communications. Social networks. The complete upheaval in the entertainment and information industries caused by all of the above. And, oh yeah, the first African-American president of the United States. That's the short list.

    Celente isn't a seer. He just looks at current trends and extrapolates. That means, of course, he's totally blind to anything that doesn't yet show up on a data curve.

    Any fool can do this, even me. But instead of reading the papers and poring over data, I used a Magic 8 Ball (the online version). Here's what it had to say:

    * Food riots: Maybe

    * Tent cities: Definitely

    * Tax revolts: No way!

    * The end of Christmas: Absolutely

    * President Sarah Palin: Ask again later

    (Celente didn't actually predict that last one, but I figured since we're trying to scare people, it was worth a try.)

    The problem with making dire predictions like this is that modern economics is really an enormous confidence game. Like voodoo, it only works if you believe in it. You want to create a run on the banks? Tell people there's a run on the banks. So Celente isn't helping anybody except the folks who want to see the world collapse in the next four years, for entirely self-serving reasons.

    Told you not to look.
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    I like the other guy who predicted we had four years to act because he was a scientist and also made muppets on the side.
     
  5. Major

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    Where are these American tent cities?
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    Uhhh Yellowstone?
     
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    Snake oil salesman will never go away. Too much money and attention to gain from suckers who take them seriously.
     
  8. JeopardE

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    I find it amusing how these prophets of gloom show up out of the woodwork after a couple of their predictions come to pass, and then go overboard with it proclaiming how we're headed for the apocalypse.

    People never know how to quit while they're ahead.
     
  9. Red Chocolate

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    LOL, you better believe guys like Gerald Celente and Peter Schiff know what's going on. Nice disinfo pieces though, MadMax, god forbid Celente doesn't get 'everything' correct.

    Furthermore, the article frequently shows how correct he is, linking road rage, stress, etc. to the mundane 9-5 lives Americans have, and the lack of human interaction we have due to use of technology we have available.

    Look at what's going on in Iceland, Greece, and in other regions of the world. These people are smarter than we are in terms of common sense and understanding of the history of government corruption, Americans are relatively clueless in comparison. Look at all the martial law executive orders that have been passed here (many under Bush), the govt. doesn't pass things like that unless they KNOW something big is going down.
     
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    There's some little town south of Anahuac that was completely blown away by Ike, and the residents that have to be there (mostly shrimpers and fishermen) are living in tents.
     
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    That was actually one of the first things that came to my mind reading this. All those executive orders that Bush had passed for concerning martial law. There are many many executive orders now concerning this.

    I think if you connect a lot of the random pieces out there, you can come to many of the conclusions that this guy is making.

    What is our national deficit? $11 trillion? What is our proposed deficit this year? $1.2 trillion? What happens when China/middleast/Japan stop buying treasury bonds? There is an article in this forum just a couple weeks ago about reserve levels being empty and unable to support the US' level of spending much longer. Don't we have to pay for social security and a universal health system at some point?

    What happens when we can't pay our bills and if our fiat currency collapses?

    I could see riots in all this. Of course, perhaps all this can be corrected but shouldn't people consider the possiblity that it doesn't? "Afterall, history shows that democracy is only a temporary form of government with an average life span of 200 years that fail due to poor monetary policies when elected officials figure out they can vote themselves gifts from the treasury"---quoted by some smart guy from the 1700's...
     
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    California mostly, I think. We (public lands agencies) are seeing a huge increase in people across the West trying to live in campgrounds, many of whom only have their RV after having lost their house. There's a two week max stay in each campground and people always get ticked off when you tell them they have to move along.
     
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    I'll take the bet. Unless we die by automobile accident or natural causes, we'll all be here arguing about politics.

    And it doesn't take a genius to predict things will probably get worse before they get better.

    Color me unimpressed. I put more stock in the Mayans.
     
  14. Red Chocolate

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    Kudos for using your brain here. The economic bailout is already >$8.5 trillion (originally quoted as $700 billion in mainstream media). Eventually people will realize that the government makes way more money lying to us than by acting in our best interests, via the military industrial complex and global banking/corporations enacting the legislation they require.

    Either that or more will lose their jobs, supermarkets will begin closing due to a credit collapse, and then we will definitely begin seeing riots. Ironically enough, Obama has called for a 'civilian national guard, just as well funded as our military' 6 months ago, which I'm sure is connected with this and his claim to be able to create 3.5 million jobs.
     
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    I'm for whichever scenario brings people closer to Jesus.
     
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    How many other Democracies in history? esp similar to the US Style democracy?

    Rocket River
     
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    I got this in the email and then looked up the Fox News video
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    FYI... Bad start to your thread there.
     
  18. MadMax

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    i always love it when people assert that the only ones using their brains are the ones who agree with their viewpoint. thanks for the smile! :D

    i'll meet ya here in 2012 and we'll discuss it.
     
  19. Yonkers

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    There haven't been many times in our entire history as a country that there have been mass riots of any kind. What makes you think we will go there now? Even during the Depression I think read of some small food-related riot in some small town, but nothing widespread.
     
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    Search his posts and you'll find he's a bit of a dooms-dayer...with loads of conspiracy theory sprinkled on top. Nothing wrong with that...but that's the perspective. It's not one I share.
     

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